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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/04/pop-pop-pop-goes-the-pistol/#comment-5850</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you copeywole-I chose to bring my children up here rather than a leafier suburb just because I love the place. It is really the best place in the country to be a mixed couple and I have been free to live with the man I love and bring up my children with very little hassle. And I want it to stay that way-not for it to become a &quot;them and us&quot; situation, which is why it&#039;s so important that we fight anything that threatens that. 

I am glad that  you feel many would back my son on this and look to all of you to do so, wherver you have any influence.

Thanks for the support</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you copeywole-I chose to bring my children up here rather than a leafier suburb just because I love the place. It is really the best place in the country to be a mixed couple and I have been free to live with the man I love and bring up my children with very little hassle. And I want it to stay that way-not for it to become a “them and us” situation, which is why it’s so important that we fight anything that threatens that. </p>
<p>I am glad that  you feel many would back my son on this and look to all of you to do so, wherver you have any influence.</p>
<p>Thanks for the support</p>
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		<title>By: copeywolf</title>
		<link>http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/04/pop-pop-pop-goes-the-pistol/#comment-5830</link>
		<dc:creator>copeywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good on you Nikki for taking matters further each time your son&#039;s put through this. It&#039;s a shame you have to go to the trouble, but hopefully someone high up will act upon what you&#039;re telling them.

We have in Camberwell what many other places claim to have - a truly multicultural community (a phrase used to imply harmony elsewhere when this just isn&#039;t the case). For what it&#039;s worth you know that me and the vast majority of others round here would back your son up on this, whatever our race or colour.

It&#039;s just a shame that the same diversity of backgrounds isn&#039;t reflected in those who police our area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good on you Nikki for taking matters further each time your son’s put through this. It’s a shame you have to go to the trouble, but hopefully someone high up will act upon what you’re telling them.</p>
<p>We have in Camberwell what many other places claim to have — a truly multicultural community (a phrase used to imply harmony elsewhere when this just isn’t the case). For what it’s worth you know that me and the vast majority of others round here would back your son up on this, whatever our race or colour.</p>
<p>It’s just a shame that the same diversity of backgrounds isn’t reflected in those who police our area.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/04/pop-pop-pop-goes-the-pistol/#comment-5826</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your balanced points, copeywolfe. It isn&#039;t that I think all police are bad, or that we don&#039;t need them-it&#039;s more that they don&#039;t follow the procedures when they deal with my son. Nor am I saying that it is only young black men who are stopped of course. But in my experience as a middle class white woman who has been part of a black family for 28 years, there is dispropotion taking place. None of my son&#039;s white friends have been stopped by the police in the last three months. The police that deal with my son are frequently abusive. I have brought him up to be respectful of the police and calm when they approach him, but his feelings for them are being badly damaged by their behaviour. 

My son has been stopped and searched many times, all by different police. They persistently refuse to tell him why they have stopped him. In fact they tell him to shut up. They don&#039;t follow procedures. They humiliate my son in public places.On several occasions, they  have put him in handcuffs and searched him on the street.

I expect it is more comfortable for people to believe that there are a few police who behave like this and white young people get stoppped as often as black young people. Unfortunately in my experience this isn&#039;t the case.

I am afraid I feel my son is seen as a potential criminal by the police and society because of the way he looks. He is almost scared to be on the streets and no matter how uncomfortable it is, I blame the unprofessional behaviour of the police who stop and search him on a regular basis for that.

I am probably responsible for tying up police time at the moment as I have vowed to complain on his behalf every time procedures are not followed from now on. 

Anyway, sorry to bring such a friendly forum down. But I think it is an important issue that local people shoould know about. It is easy for people like me, who have never been stopped and searched, to think that this only happens to the criminal elements of society. My son has no criminal record, is a college student and has two part time jobs.

Incidentally, I too have been mugged by a black man. I have also been married to one for 25 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your balanced points, copeywolfe. It isn’t that I think all police are bad, or that we don’t need them-it’s more that they don’t follow the procedures when they deal with my son. Nor am I saying that it is only young black men who are stopped of course. But in my experience as a middle class white woman who has been part of a black family for 28 years, there is dispropotion taking place. None of my son’s white friends have been stopped by the police in the last three months. The police that deal with my son are frequently abusive. I have brought him up to be respectful of the police and calm when they approach him, but his feelings for them are being badly damaged by their behaviour. </p>
<p>My son has been stopped and searched many times, all by different police. They persistently refuse to tell him why they have stopped him. In fact they tell him to shut up. They don’t follow procedures. They humiliate my son in public places.On several occasions, they  have put him in handcuffs and searched him on the street.</p>
<p>I expect it is more comfortable for people to believe that there are a few police who behave like this and white young people get stoppped as often as black young people. Unfortunately in my experience this isn’t the case.</p>
<p>I am afraid I feel my son is seen as a potential criminal by the police and society because of the way he looks. He is almost scared to be on the streets and no matter how uncomfortable it is, I blame the unprofessional behaviour of the police who stop and search him on a regular basis for that.</p>
<p>I am probably responsible for tying up police time at the moment as I have vowed to complain on his behalf every time procedures are not followed from now on. </p>
<p>Anyway, sorry to bring such a friendly forum down. But I think it is an important issue that local people shoould know about. It is easy for people like me, who have never been stopped and searched, to think that this only happens to the criminal elements of society. My son has no criminal record, is a college student and has two part time jobs.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I too have been mugged by a black man. I have also been married to one for 25 years.</p>
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		<title>By: copeywolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>copeywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sad to hear about the hassle your son&#039;s been put through Nikki. There&#039;s nothing worse than feeling that the might of &quot;authority&quot; is against you, on top of everything else. 

The trouble is that we&#039;re looking at a vicious circle here. As we all know, the police force was judged to be &quot;institutionally racist&quot; following the Stephen Lawrence enquiry. It&#039;s clear that you feel that your son being mixed race has a lot to do with him being stopped and searched so much, and I&#039;ve got a horrible feeling you&#039;re right. 

However, we can&#039;t get rid of the police. We need them. And them being branded as institutionally racist can only mean one thing: that many white people who abhor racism will be put off joining, and that very, very few people from minorities would touch the idea with a barge pole. I remember thinking when the story hit the headlines - How must this make the (many) decent people in the police force feel, being tarred with the one brush? It would probably tempt them into early retirement...

And of course that would only make things even worse.

I have been mugged once whilst in Camberwell, and the mugger was a black man. I know this is a silly comparison (I&#039;ve not been mugged twenty times in the last three months by black men). What I&#039;m trying to say is that we need to stop ourselves from treating any group, whether that of young black men or the police as all being the same. 

I honestly feel that the police (in general) take the issue of racism as seriously as the rest of us. However, if nobody from the minority communities want to involve themselves, and white people who are in no way racist won&#039;t get involved either (for fear of being branded to the contrary) where are we heading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s sad to hear about the hassle your son’s been put through Nikki. There’s nothing worse than feeling that the might of “authority” is against you, on top of everything else. </p>
<p>The trouble is that we’re looking at a vicious circle here. As we all know, the police force was judged to be “institutionally racist” following the Stephen Lawrence enquiry. It’s clear that you feel that your son being mixed race has a lot to do with him being stopped and searched so much, and I’ve got a horrible feeling you’re right. </p>
<p>However, we can’t get rid of the police. We need them. And them being branded as institutionally racist can only mean one thing: that many white people who abhor racism will be put off joining, and that very, very few people from minorities would touch the idea with a barge pole. I remember thinking when the story hit the headlines — How must this make the (many) decent people in the police force feel, being tarred with the one brush? It would probably tempt them into early retirement…</p>
<p>And of course that would only make things even worse.</p>
<p>I have been mugged once whilst in Camberwell, and the mugger was a black man. I know this is a silly comparison (I’ve not been mugged twenty times in the last three months by black men). What I’m trying to say is that we need to stop ourselves from treating any group, whether that of young black men or the police as all being the same. </p>
<p>I honestly feel that the police (in general) take the issue of racism as seriously as the rest of us. However, if nobody from the minority communities want to involve themselves, and white people who are in no way racist won’t get involved either (for fear of being branded to the contrary) where are we heading?</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/04/pop-pop-pop-goes-the-pistol/#comment-5797</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jul 2006 18:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well here&#039;s a bit of bad news I am afraid. My son, a nineteen year old mixed race boy has been &quot;stopped and searched&quot; at least twenty times in the last three months in the Camberwell area un the name of better policing. Only once has he been given any paperwork. He has no criminal record bu last Saturday was put in handcuffs on his own doorstep, simply for parking his own taxed and totally legal moped outside his house and for daring to ask the police officer why he wanted to talk to him. Again no paperwork and he had to jump in front of the police car to get the officer&#039;s badge no. He was searched in cuffs and not charged with anything, having nothing on him to interest the police. 

On Monday he was riding up the Old Kent rd and stopped again. He had had one drink  several hours earlier and so the police officer breathalysed him. Fair enough. He ran out of puff and the machine bleeped so the officer told him off and arrested him again, put him in cuffs on the roadside and searched him. They took him to the station and left his bike on a red route at a busstop. The breath test they did was negative. 

As he left, the officers jeered at him saying-&quot;You&#039;re bike was left on a red route, so it will be stolen or taken by the red route patrol&quot; He went back to the spot and of course it was gone.

The bike was his pride and joy, bought with his won earnings. He needs his bike to get to his part time job and college. he was a victim of an attack himself last December and doesn&#039;t like to travel on public transport as a result.

Again he received no paperwork.

So as Camberwell residents, spare a thought for the many young black boys on your streets who have done nothing wrong and are persistently harrassed and bullied by the police.

We are breeding a community of youngsters who have nothing but contempt for the police. What can I tell him? How would you feel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well here’s a bit of bad news I am afraid. My son, a nineteen year old mixed race boy has been “stopped and searched” at least twenty times in the last three months in the Camberwell area un the name of better policing. Only once has he been given any paperwork. He has no criminal record bu last Saturday was put in handcuffs on his own doorstep, simply for parking his own taxed and totally legal moped outside his house and for daring to ask the police officer why he wanted to talk to him. Again no paperwork and he had to jump in front of the police car to get the officer’s badge no. He was searched in cuffs and not charged with anything, having nothing on him to interest the police. </p>
<p>On Monday he was riding up the Old Kent rd and stopped again. He had had one drink  several hours earlier and so the police officer breathalysed him. Fair enough. He ran out of puff and the machine bleeped so the officer told him off and arrested him again, put him in cuffs on the roadside and searched him. They took him to the station and left his bike on a red route at a busstop. The breath test they did was negative. </p>
<p>As he left, the officers jeered at him saying-“You’re bike was left on a red route, so it will be stolen or taken by the red route patrol” He went back to the spot and of course it was gone.</p>
<p>The bike was his pride and joy, bought with his won earnings. He needs his bike to get to his part time job and college. he was a victim of an attack himself last December and doesn’t like to travel on public transport as a result.</p>
<p>Again he received no paperwork.</p>
<p>So as Camberwell residents, spare a thought for the many young black boys on your streets who have done nothing wrong and are persistently harrassed and bullied by the police.</p>
<p>We are breeding a community of youngsters who have nothing but contempt for the police. What can I tell him? How would you feel?</p>
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		<title>By: NickW</title>
		<link>http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/04/pop-pop-pop-goes-the-pistol/#comment-3981</link>
		<dc:creator>NickW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 May 2006 22:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a bullet hole in the flying fish window! Apparently the Cube was bought &#039;Cash&#039; by a wealthy Nigerian. It used to be a fun Mexican restaurant cafe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a bullet hole in the flying fish window! Apparently the Cube was bought ‘Cash’ by a wealthy Nigerian. It used to be a fun Mexican restaurant cafe.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.camberwellonline.co.uk/2006/04/pop-pop-pop-goes-the-pistol/#comment-3685</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 21:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet more bad news.  I was passing through Peckham Road at around 15:00 yesterday, and the whole area was from The Academy school to the Peckham Arch was cordoned off with tape between the lamp posts, and a police persence to ensure no-one got through.  A police officer I spoke to told me that three people were shot on Sunday night.  For what little difference it might make, I am sort of hoping that - given the number of people involved - it&#039;s perhaps more likely to be a gang fight between people who knew each other, rather than a mugging of some unrelated person.  icSouthLondon do not have a story on this yet, but I suppose details may emerge this week.

While Peckham and Camberwell are definitely improving, the process seems to be taking longer than one might hope.  I can&#039;t help thinking that Southwark has missed a trick here.  Pouring £300 million into new housing has brought tangible improvements, but that alone is not going to turn things around.  Central and local government really do need to get a handle on this.  What makes matters even more sad is that it was only higher tax revenues from London that bailed out Gordon Brown at the last budget, yet billions of money is still being siphoned off to the rest of the country - I&#039;m all for redistribution, but without investing just a little bit more of London&#039;s money in London, the government will risk &quot;killing the golden goose&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet more bad news.  I was passing through Peckham Road at around 15:00 yesterday, and the whole area was from The Academy school to the Peckham Arch was cordoned off with tape between the lamp posts, and a police persence to ensure no-one got through.  A police officer I spoke to told me that three people were shot on Sunday night.  For what little difference it might make, I am sort of hoping that — given the number of people involved — it’s perhaps more likely to be a gang fight between people who knew each other, rather than a mugging of some unrelated person.  icSouthLondon do not have a story on this yet, but I suppose details may emerge this week.</p>
<p>While Peckham and Camberwell are definitely improving, the process seems to be taking longer than one might hope.  I can’t help thinking that Southwark has missed a trick here.  Pouring £300 million into new housing has brought tangible improvements, but that alone is not going to turn things around.  Central and local government really do need to get a handle on this.  What makes matters even more sad is that it was only higher tax revenues from London that bailed out Gordon Brown at the last budget, yet billions of money is still being siphoned off to the rest of the country — I’m all for redistribution, but without investing just a little bit more of London’s money in London, the government will risk “killing the golden goose”…</p>
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		<title>By: eusebiovic</title>
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		<dc:creator>eusebiovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 17:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I live just off Coldharbour Lane (by Herne Hill Road) so maybe a batch of rogue Tory Pamphlets were delivered slightly outside the boundaries of their natural manor!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I live just off Coldharbour Lane (by Herne Hill Road) so maybe a batch of rogue Tory Pamphlets were delivered slightly outside the boundaries of their natural manor!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hannah M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hannah M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 11:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha Ha! i love the fact that the Toys are now trying to be green - just ask a London Tory for their stance on the Congestion Charge now they are concerned about Green issues and watch them Squirm!!

Haven&#039;t seen or heard of any Torys at all - i don&#039;t think they regard Camberwell Green/Coldharbour Lane as prime Tory voting territory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha Ha! i love the fact that the Toys are now trying to be green — just ask a London Tory for their stance on the Congestion Charge now they are concerned about Green issues and watch them Squirm!!</p>
<p>Haven’t seen or heard of any Torys at all — i don’t think they regard Camberwell Green/Coldharbour Lane as prime Tory voting territory!</p>
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		<title>By: eusebiovic</title>
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		<dc:creator>eusebiovic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 09:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually received one called The Rose which was Labour slagging off the Lib Dem/Conservative coalition!!! They are also scaremongering and saying that the Liberals are soft on crime and that we must all be scared to walk the streets at night!!! - I also have a Tory One called Herne Hill News which says they are the only ones comitted to a new secondary school in the area and that Labour/Liberals have dragged their feet when everybody knows that a new school is already at the advanced planning stage and is just waiting approval, which Tessa Jowell no less is trying to push through!!! - Think Conservative, Think Green - yeah good one that, surely a revelation on a par with finding out that for the past 40 years Ken Barlow has really been Dennis Hopper in disguise...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually received one called The Rose which was Labour slagging off the Lib Dem/Conservative coalition!!! They are also scaremongering and saying that the Liberals are soft on crime and that we must all be scared to walk the streets at night!!! — I also have a Tory One called Herne Hill News which says they are the only ones comitted to a new secondary school in the area and that Labour/Liberals have dragged their feet when everybody knows that a new school is already at the advanced planning stage and is just waiting approval, which Tessa Jowell no less is trying to push through!!! — Think Conservative, Think Green — yeah good one that, surely a revelation on a par with finding out that for the past 40 years Ken Barlow has really been Dennis Hopper in disguise…</p>
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