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Red bus, red bus, red bus
Published by Peter | Filed under Development, Nearby, Transport
The Search facility has been upgraded a little so it now checks in comments as well as in posts. Unfortunately the results only return the post the comment was made on, not the comment itself, so you still have to do a little browsing; still, it’s better than nothing, right? Right?
Much traffic has abandoned the Walworth Road while the Parisianisation takes place, meaning it has now become the almost exclusive reserve of the bus. This morning there was a queue of 11 buses waiting at traffic lights going north, and a further six going south. I’ve rarely seen so much red.
March 21st, 2007
March 22nd, 2007 at 6:29 am
The Walworth Rd roadworks must surely be related to the E & C regeneration?
It’s hard to tell from Southwark’s web site - they vaguely mention the area south of Heygate Street but these roadworks are near enough to Camberwell.
Interesting to see that by the Council’s calculations, the regen of E & C won’t be finished until 2014. Which in yours and my currency, probably means 2020.
Still, it will be good when its done.
http://www.southwark.gov.uk/YourServices/RegenerationSection/elephant/ECtimetable.html
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March 22nd, 2007 at 8:32 am
I thought the Walworth Road works came out of a Southwark Living Streets survey of the area. I think they’ve done one of Camberwell too - anyone know about the results of that?
I’ve been surprised at how few delays I’ve experienced whilst the works are going on. My journeys have been no slower when I’ve taken the bus.
Thanks for the search facility, Peter - I was trying and failing to find the recently recommended plumber yesterday, but just found it no problem.
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March 22nd, 2007 at 1:39 pm
Lets hope they introduce similar modifications to the roads in Camberwell - both Lambeth and Southwark have some of the lowest levels of car ownership in the UK (in both boroughs around 48% of households own a car compared with 75% of households nationwide) so measures that speed up buses and improve the roadside environment will bring benefits for the population of Camberwell
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March 22nd, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Walworth developments are a result of Living Streets working with TFL and loads of others concerned with traffic flows.
Living Streets did some surveys around Camberwell recently, in the Southwark section at least, around Denmark Hill, Camberwell Green, Church Street and New Road. Resulted in a letter to Harun Khan at TFL. Will post more when have more detail.
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March 22nd, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Speaking of Camberwell and transport, did anyone see the horse in Camberwell Church Street this afternoon? Next to Nisha’s restaurant.
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March 22nd, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Maybe it was Bubbles (recently pictured here but now sadly removed) seeking out Peter?
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March 22nd, 2007 at 4:58 pm
The horse was some sort of Blakeian visitation, I’d say, perhaps because I went on a Camberwell pub crawl yesterday afternoon after a trip to the Camberwell Green Magistrates Court.
Hermits Cave - Dark Horse - Silver Buckle - Dispensary - Miliki Spot. This latter is a great place, really friendly, and the Nigerian Guinness is served chilled. Finally, the food in the Bolu restaurant is just the job for this kind of Situation.
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March 22nd, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Could the horse in question be this chap:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuart_mclellan/288391181/in/pool-camberwell_se5/
If so, he works for the ‘Architectural Rescue’ place on Southampton Way
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuart_mclellan/288390885/in/pool-camberwell_se5/
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March 23rd, 2007 at 6:42 am
Didn’t Caligua make his horse a general or a senator?
what about other famous horses? ( other than racing nags obviously!)
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March 23rd, 2007 at 6:43 am
Caligula sorry - too early for spelling
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 am
Mr Ed?
Camilla Parker Bowles?
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:21 am
Silver.
Pegasus.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:38 am
Black Beauty. Champion the Wonder-horse.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:42 am
The Trojan Horse.
My Little Ponies.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:50 am
I’ve actually recently come up with a gameshow idea called ‘The Horses Mouth’- small world eh?
Anyway- Trigger? Scout? Lloyd’s bank.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:52 am
Dobbin. Tony Dobbin. Ruby Walsh. Jockeys’ names can be quite funny.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:52 am
Lester Piggot
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March 23rd, 2007 at 11:04 am
Frankie Dettori is a particularly unfunny jockey.
If you had a racehorse what would you call it?
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March 23rd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
If I had a race horse I would not call it Nil Desperandum as I bet a £50 on a horse with that name last week at Uttoxeter and it died trying to win. So now I have decided to only bet on flat racing too ease my guilty conscience.
Re Horse sitings it wasn’t a big cart horse with a guy who has locks riding it as I have seen that over Stockwell a few times
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March 23rd, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Perhaps one of the names from the Cook & Moore / Derek & Clive sketch entitled “Horse Racing”?
WARNING: The following link contains filthy language (but no obscene pics) and is definitely not as funny read versus when heard.
http://www.phespirit.info/derekandclive/ad_nauseam_02.htm
:X
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March 23rd, 2007 at 1:34 pm
FD- “I thought Frank’s shoes were going to eat the ball. He has the crocodile shoes no?” Worst joke in televisual history.
I’d call my horse Pritt-stick.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Camberwell Beauty.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pm
Bad news
http://icsouthlondon.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200southlondonheadlines/tm_headline=man-%2Dkept-as-a-dog-in-kidnap-nightmare%2D%26method=full%26objectid=18794365%26siteid=50100-name_page.html
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March 23rd, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Oh Camberwell Oh Camberwell How I Long To See You
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March 23rd, 2007 at 5:40 pm
Many dogs in the locality will find it in poor taste that the man has been described as being “kept as a dog”. Their human rights have been sullied, this is unacceptable.
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March 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Nothing to do with Camberwell. No one blames Shtrasskhofe or any other part of Vienna for what happened to Natasha Kampush.
Stop wallowing!
O Camberwell, O Camberwell,
How are thy leaves so verdant!
O Camberwell, O Camberwell,
Much pleasure doth thou bring me!
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March 23rd, 2007 at 11:20 pm
Cool!
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March 24th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
BANANAS. Peckham Lidl is selling bananas from Martinique. This island, like neighbouring Guadaloupe, is part of France, an overseas department, whose currency is the euro. Most of their bananas go to France - a recommendation in itself, the French are the world’s gastronomic connoisseurs. Lidl’s German-based buying power brings the Martiniquais bananas within our reach. Their stickers proclaim Banana de Martinique RIEN NE PEUT LA BATTRE, This is a banana from Martinique, NOTHING CAN BEAT IT, batter it maybe. Actually, bananas frittered in butter are marvellous. Anyway, despite the banana war settlement of 2005 that allowed American companies in South America to flood the market with low-priced but bland bananas, we in Camberwell can savour the second-best bananas in the world, second only to those from Cameroon.
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March 24th, 2007 at 3:34 pm
That should be Guadeloupe, not Guadaloupe. French Creole “bannann” means plaintain, not banana - which is “bannann fig”, strangely enough. Even stranger, bananas are a herb not a fruit, like tomatoes are a fruit not a vegetable.
Where is everyone?
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March 24th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
That’s plantain, not plaintain. Today, I looked up the Stuckists’ website and it stuck my computer, crashed it, I had to reboot. The computer is so stupid!
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March 24th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Hi Dagmar
We’re just sitting here, waiting, getting out of shape, and all the time Charlie is up in the jungle, getting stronger by the day…
Enough of that - having been impressed by your taste in cheap booze and french cars, you now add bananas to your list of discriminatory abilities. Me I have always prefered the smaller organic Windward Islands fruit. Or herb if I am to be corrected.
The CIA-backed banana war was no laughing matter - it almost destroyed the quality woolens business in the Scottish borders, and there’s not much else going on there I can promise you.
I’m off to eat a banana…
Drew Mishmash
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March 24th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
The list of trade-war items was strange. As well as bananas, it included greetings, cards, sweet biscuits, waffles and wafers, candle and tapers, and knitted cashmere clothing.
What was that quote about Charlie in the jungle, Drew? Apocalypse Now was on the box the other evening, still a frightening, good film.
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March 24th, 2007 at 9:40 pm
Dagmar,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwqdBkaWsTA
?
(my favorite anyway)
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March 24th, 2007 at 10:24 pm
Oh yes the “napalm” speech; Duvall as Kilgore as Westmoreland.
This speech, like almost all of Apocalypse Now, was improvised. Most people forget that last line; “some day this war’s gonna end…” and then what? We go Home? These poor “dinks” can start to live? We have to go somewhere else and do it all again?
Duvall stands up, walks out the frame, and we are left, like Willard, renedered speechless by Kilgore’s lack of moral engagement.
“You’re an errand boy sent by a grocery clerk to collect an unpaid bill.” Ouch!
Drew Mishmash
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March 25th, 2007 at 9:10 am
Thanks, Merrick, you piloted the technology good.
A lot of people fell in love with the helicopter noise in Apocalyspse Now, mainly boys. Boys like helicopter noise.
I want the cock from the Bickleigh pub sign. It is a most magnificent golden cockerel about two feet high, the emblem of Courage the brewers. It would look marvellous in a garden.
I wonder if the cock is classified as historic street furniture? Anyway, I’d rather it fell into my hands than those dubious boys from Architectural Rescue.
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March 25th, 2007 at 9:23 am
‘ I f**k your sons and I f**k your daughters because you are all pigs’
which great ’70’s film is this quote from?
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March 25th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
I don’t know but if you bung the quote into Google you get all manner of weird.
Is your Flavia gold? I have seen one in these parts and wept over it, careful not to wet the bodywork.
Today is the 200th anniversary of the passing of the Act here to abolish slavery. By chance the Dagmar family found themselves at the Horniman where the Nzinga troupe drummed and danced. They were fantastic. It made our day.
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March 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
I knew it. I could sense your being there at the Horniman. I was wondering if you were in the crowd along with my family.
Nzinga were, as you say, fantastic, brought tears to my eyes (brought up in Nigeria I was), a CD to my pocket and made our day too. See: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=433804497&size=l
http://www.nzingadance.org.uk/aboutUs.htm
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March 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
What was funny, Mark, was that as is the way of knackered young parents, we didn’t know today was the official 200th anniversary of slavery abolition day, so we didn’t turn up with any whatever, just our kids and knackeredness.
Boy, were they good, Nzinga. What a find!
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March 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
Same
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March 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pm
‘cept I’m OLD
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March 25th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Its from the great court scene in Midnight Express, which must be up there with the top movies of the late 70’s - maybe Taxi Driver too.
Travis Bickle would have made a good Apoc Now
character. Have you seen the Apoc Now Redux?
it has some very bizzare scenes - with French colons, with the helicopter girls, and an extended surfing scene- Willard steals Kilgore’s surfboard- the Air Cav then search the jungle calling out with loudspeakers to trya nd get it back.
I’d seen the original a lot of times, there’s even a cinema in NYC ( around 1992) that shows nothing but Apoc Now and the amazing documentary
Hearts of Darkness, I still don’t really understand the film - it is different every time on many levels- but now the Redux has me seriously confused.
Dagmar - the Flavia is metallic grey, but is in need of a repaint. She is mechanically & structurally sound having been hand crafted at Pinninfarina in 1970, and been very well waxoyled
and looked after since. Tax exemption and cheap insurance outweigh the negatives - quite thirsty and funny little windscreen wipers- she drives as well/better than most modern cars, indeed with disc brakes, powersteering & electric windows the Flavia 2000 was about 20 years ahead
of the pack. However as innovative as Lancia were with their engineering they were shite businessmen. Fiat saved them from extinction, only to herald the age of crap rust buckets made out of recycled soviet T34’s, like the notorious Beta.
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March 26th, 2007 at 7:42 am
A friend of mine has a Beta he keeps garaged in case there is an autumn mist and it deliquesces into a pool of rusty water.
There are a few Triumph Heralds around these parts. The bloke who designed it died recently. He was hired by Leyland to replace Issigonis who was uncompromising. So the chap designed the Marina and Allegro. The rest is history, dust and rust.
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March 26th, 2007 at 8:10 am
All I can say is that it is a nightmare getting down the Walworth Road now. This morning I had to abandon the bus I was on and walked from Burgess Park to Elephant, so backed up was the traffic due to these blasted roadworks. I think I counted about 23 buses in a row waiting at the lights, and I am seriously not exaggerating. I think I am going to have to find an alternative route to work for the next few months if this is what its going to be like.
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March 26th, 2007 at 9:06 am
Hi Bonbohue
And there’s me thinking it was the porno remake of the aminated Animal Farm…
There’s often a lot to be said for redux cuts - Blade Runner I spose is the classic case of an unintelliginble film made so much better in the editing room. Cinema Paradiso too; have you seen the version where salvatore finds the girl? Oh Dear! And Mrs Mishmash reminded me a couple of days ago that almost all of La Belle Noiseuse could have gone in the cutting bin; personally I found three and a half hours of looking at Emanuelle Beart standing still in the nude quite enthralling…
But you are right; Apoc Now is more confusing in redux version. I think the point was to add in more of the confusing history of the Vietman war; thats why they all speak french and Willard can’t understand them; it’s less focussed on the trip up the river. And Heart of Darkness is just horrific - not relaesed on dvd I think - but Apoc Now remains one of the top three or four films I think, and of course it contains the most famous cough in cinema [from the very young Harrison Ford]
Best Wishes
Drew Mishmash
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March 26th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
An amazing book about American 70s film is Peter Biskind’s ‘Easy Riders, Raging Bulls’.
Anyone read it? Everyone ditches the dirt on each other without realising that everyone else is doing the same.
There were so many classic films from that period.
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March 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Drew
Harrison Ford does look almost adolescent in the movie, but as he was born in 1942 and therefore must be 65 now he was certainly in his mid 30’s for both Apoc Now and Star Wars.
Other Hollywood actors seem to also take a long time to make it - for instance Paul Newman in Coolhand Luke acts the young character but was no spring chicken at the time.
I agree about Emmanuel Beart - i would gladly watch her all day clothed, naked or otherwise
mmmmmm. a nice thought
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March 26th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
does anyone now what was happening on Camberwell Road around 5pm tonight? It was traffic carnage, all closed off with a police cordon.
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March 26th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
I think it was an accident; when I went past the street was empty apart from loads of police, an empty car, a suitcase, and a blanket and pillow.
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March 27th, 2007 at 7:28 am
Hi
@Bukowski333 - very much so; unfortunately the other biskind titles are a disappointment, simply because the characters in it aren’t as fascinasting or as macchiavellian as Easy Riders Raging Bulls. Used to sell piles of it in my bookshop…he said wistfully.
Be Happy
Drew mishmash
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March 27th, 2007 at 8:16 am
Yes I think it was an accident so all the buses were diverted via Camberwell New Road and Wyndham Road. Watch out for the end of the week editions of the South London Press and Southwark News…
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March 27th, 2007 at 8:25 am
Drew -
I’ve not read any of his other books but that was a great read.
I took some pictures outside the bingo hall last night. There was a heavy police presence if it was an accident.
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March 27th, 2007 at 8:54 am
@ Lucas. A little Hispanic boy was knocked down quite badly by a car. Poor chap was still unconscious when they took him to A&E. Some relatives were on the scene but couldn’t speak English which complicated things a bit. Agreed, there was police everywhere which seemed strange. No idea why.
Rang King’s to try and find out how he was but couldn’t because I wasn’t related. Pediatric neurosurgery hadn’t taken him in though, which hopefully is a good sign.
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March 28th, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Any further news on the boy who was knocked down on Monday. When I came home much later the same night (11.30pm or something) there were lots of police and it looked like there had been an accident inthe middle of Camberwell Green junction. Was it the same incident?
Anyway - I came to take back my previous comment (2) that I hadn’t experienced any hold-ups on Walworth Road. I was over half an hour late for work this morning. Quelle horreur!
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March 29th, 2007 at 8:13 am
Back to an old subject…
had a run in with a junkie on Church st yesterday
asked for change, grabbed some & ran away, i chased after him & knocked him flying before realising that he might be packing a blade, oh shit !
he was too stoned and was only concerned that i’d knocked his weed all over the pavement, I backed off pretty quick realising that he was just a fuck wit.
Still these people rely on the fact that they can steal etc & the victims are too scared to do anything about it. I just did an automatic response ( that i regret as i may have been stabbed as a result) may be he’ll think twice before trying it again.
Apparently there is a needle exchange/methadone opened on the Grove, the community was given two weeks notice & no consultation. The council & police borough commander have planned it for a year but kept it a secret from the community.
Blairs Britain ? - the exchange attracts ex-con junkies from all over London, and is ajacent to a housing estate & two schools - nice one you fuck heads
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March 29th, 2007 at 8:56 am
Well done, bunbohue, nice reaction. You’d think a needle exhange’d be placed somewhere else, like in a police station or hospital. The Magistrates Court seems quite quiet and orderly with lots of room and good security. A small caravan outside it would do.
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March 31st, 2007 at 12:45 pm
@ bunbohue - if it’s any consolation, I’d be surprised if the needle exchange programme that you’ve discovered serves a catchment area much wider than SE5/17/15, because there are quite a few around. There’s one in Blackfriars Rd for the north of the borough and I’m sure there are others.
It does seem sensible to site these in hospitals (though I’m not sure that one located in a police station would be particularly well attended - given that most if not all injectable drugs are still illegal in the UK). Perhaps there have been problems when these have been based in hospital complexes, I don’t know.
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March 31st, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Mushtimusta - You are probably right, I am just voicing the concerns of other local residents who are rightly concerned at the lack of public consultation & who also feel that the needle/rehab centre in their midst does little to help( or indeed make worse)an already endemic
drug problem in SE5 & indeed Southwark generally.
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