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Published by Peter | Filed under Development, Shopping
I assume the deal to have the enormous hoarding there expired with Kennedy’s Sausages. I can’t say I’m sorry to see the oversized advertising go, but I’m sure it’s only a matter of time until it’s back again.
January 28th, 2008
January 28th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
Does anyone know what is happening to the property Kennedy’s )I presume) owned. Does anyone know how to find out?
By the way, if we had a Camberwell Development Trust it could have bought Kennedy’s, assuming the freehold is available, and Windsor Walk, and a few other key sites around here, and developed our neighbourhood the way we want it to be developed.
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January 28th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
What does it say, “LAUGHING PILLS”?
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January 28th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
That’s what I’m on
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January 28th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Beecham’s Pills. Thought is was ‘Belching’ for a moment. Almost googled it. Peter’s original post worked out the Beecham’s some time ago.
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January 28th, 2008 at 11:19 pm
My lab has deciphered it.
Kennedy’s
LAUGHING
PILLS
I wonder at what point they thought there was more fun in sausages. Perhaps… no.
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January 29th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Usually these kind of gable end signs are positioned to be most obvious to approaching drivers.
Strangely, this one isn’t; in fact it’s designed to draw the attention to the right of anyone coming out of CNR, while someone else similarly distracted ploughs into their left hand wing.
RTA on a red route? - south London gridlock is just five minutes away!
Drew
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January 29th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
That M&S lingerie model has been advertized on the billboard right outside my office window for at least a year now.
The posters change quite a bit. I’ve seen her in enuff different styles of underwear.
Can’t think why I posted this. I’m worrying myself now.
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January 29th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
D-MAN do not worry, be proud. That posting’s a sign of red blooded rude health. I’m glad you said pointed out that fine strapping M&S lassie with the feather tickling stick because I didn’t have the nerve. She looks a little jaundiced mind.
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January 29th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Jaundiced mind? That comes from too much masturbation. D-MAN himself says, “I’m worrying myself now.” I expect these are the first shoots of spring - Mendelsohn, Spring Song, Camberwell Green. Hello, boys!
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January 30th, 2008 at 11:59 am
When I said “worrying myself” that wasn’t meant as euphemism!
Anyway, they changed it to a Nivea poster now – that brand seems to lead with the natural beauty theme. Reminds me a bit of that “talk to you daughter before the beauty industry does” ad campaign from last year.
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January 30th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Dear all,
Don’t know how many of you live around us, but thought it worth mentioning that we woke up to the nasty surprise on Tuesday having been burgled whilst we slept on Monday night. They used a credit card to force our Yale lock open.
So lock up tight!
Talfourdite
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January 30th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
“They used a credit card to force our Yale lock open” is an old chestnut that “locking up tight” is supposed to protect the household from.
Commiserations Talfourdite.
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January 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Hmmm, that’s not far from me. Perhaps this is only anecdotal, but it seems that there have been a lot of burglaries around here in the last few months.
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January 30th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
The scallies have been round again aggressively selling plastic clothes pegs at extortionate prices, taking a good look around. I have looked up their ex-offender charity and found nothing on the net at the PO Box number given. I’d welcome advice about these fellows and how to deal with them.
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January 30th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
We got burgalled (lightly) the other week.
The PC who came to inspect the aftermath, such as it was, was of the opinion that Yale locks were pretty much useless in keeping out all but the most casual of crooks.
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January 30th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
We love the area but we’re feeling pretty crummy at the moment. just to boot
King’s maternity ward were spectacularly rude to mrs talfourdite about the fact that her notes had been stolen, not a good day for the proud camberwellians that we are.
ps we normally bolt up securely but forgot on this one occasion. It begs the question of how many times the robbugers have tried and failed?
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January 30th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Bolting up normally: The sash on our bay window at the front had been painted shut for years until a couple of years ago we got it fixed and freed. The first night it was fixed I left it open about an inch - just forgot - and of course we were burgled. That was convenient.
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January 30th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
That is pathetic that Kings lost her notes, Talfourd. Been stolen my arse. People don’t steal women’s maternity notes! They lost them. They probably even haven’t. Kings is a top place - this “theft” is unusual, in my view. The staff and unit are the best in the country.
Any burglary is a hell of an instrusion and beyond reason upsetting. The youth or “yoot” whose bums get burgled at Feltham feel it keenly. They long to go there, they crave it.
Blimey, I’m going barmy!
Anyway, burglary + pregnancy is not a good combination and you and your missus should feel well supported by all us sane-minded Camberwellians,
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January 31st, 2008 at 1:50 am
I was woken up a couple of months ago by a bloke trying to pick the lock of our front door. It sounded like he had almost succeeded, but fortunately I had a deadlock and a chain for good measure. He scooted off when I turned the light on. Doors should be double-locked in Camberwell, I’m afraid.
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January 31st, 2008 at 9:25 am
Dagmar reminds me what I forgot, and apologies for not saying so already: commiserations Talfourdites, fortunately though time does heal and children help speed the process.
http://www.se5forum.orIf anyone reading here knows the history of Clubland on Walworth/Camberwell Road there’s an enquiry on the SE5 Forum site about it: g/forum/index.php/topic,741.msg3577.html#msg3577
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January 31st, 2008 at 9:26 am
Don’t know what careless thing I did there. Sorry.
http://www.se5forum.org/forum/index.php/topic,741.msg3577.html#msg3577
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January 31st, 2008 at 11:20 am
So what should I do if I’ve been burgled but I don’t have kids? Should I adopt?
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January 31st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Get cats instead?
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January 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Talfourdite sorry to hear about what happened.
post 22 & 23 Get something that barks 5 years in Tottenham and 2 years in Camberwell seems to have worked for me so far.
Opportunist burgalars tend not to go to the house/flat with all the noise, they do however go for my nieghbours who don’t have a dog. 2 in the last 2 months both ground floor flats both in the night accessed at the back.
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February 1st, 2008 at 12:27 am
Off topic but worth it, I just found another world have a look here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/vieilles_annonces/sets/72157602202562700/
Light relief and visual indulgence
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February 1st, 2008 at 8:45 am
Enjoyed those.
Very Happy Days.
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February 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
Quiet contentment in Camberwell this afternoon.
Everyone to preoccupied with Mark’s fit bird’s photos to chat perhaps?
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February 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pm
too
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February 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Yeah she is fit isn’t she Alan
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February 2nd, 2008 at 12:15 am
Fit bird chat? I was walking today in the bright sunshine with my daughter of 21 months, teaching her English. “That’s a magpie, it goes cha-cha-cha. What is it?” “A pigeon.” “What colour is this brown cat?” “Blue.” And so on.
We were walking around what estate agents call the “toast rack” of Denman, Talfourd, Bushey Hill, Crofton and Shenley roads. In the vicinity were fresh smashed car windows with stereos nicked. They are great streets, though. We later saw a garden full of big daisies in a 1930s house near the top of Dog Kennel Hill, even in cold late January - suddenly, a garden full of big sub-arctic daisies.
In Warwick Gardens we saw heavy, long trains go by. The locomotives are often quite old, from BR stock, with their original names. I say, “Look, there’s Vaughan Williams”, for instance. For indeed, the engine, she is he. My girl, she takes note, I think, but usually just sings.
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February 2nd, 2008 at 9:13 am
The blossom’s out on the cherry in front of the Prince of Wales (P.O.W.) on Denmark Road.
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February 2nd, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Just heard that Southwark are threatening to close the livesey children’s Museum on the old kent road. That’s a bit rough. Anyone else use it?
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February 2nd, 2008 at 4:33 pm
The Livesey museum’s great - we’ve been there several times and know a couple of people who do classes there and really rate it. It’s out on a limb though. More toys/carpet/mobile@diy than cerebral/education Land along there.
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February 2nd, 2008 at 4:37 pm
so sorry to hear about all the burglaries that have been happening… I hope that these ones are included in the ‘10 or so’ that the nice PC told us about a couple of weekends back when we were also done over.
‘light theiving’ is what I would describe happened to us - a laptop and a bike, but needless to say the insurance company isn’t having any of it because we don’t have the right sort of window locks…
All of the ones I have heard about around Wilson Road have been through the gardens and back windows… so make sure you have them properly locked and bolted.
Burglaries are a FAFF. And my brother who is a PC reckons you are likely to be hit again quite soon after - just long enough after for you to replace your stuff. Nice.
I still love Camberwell tho. And my house. Just wish the pesky buggers
could keep their thieving fingers to themselves….
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February 2nd, 2008 at 7:28 pm
The Livesey is OK but a bit flimsy in my view - they do great things considering the money they have or haven’t. Really, it should get lottery money whatever, because it could be a great place in one of the really dog-poorest parts of SE London. That area has loads of kids and needs a place where children can be taken for various reasons. The money spent is a big investment.
It’s exactly the same as Camberwell Baths - seems not worth saving, then a few years down the line you find there’s nothing in the area but boring franchises selling daft chicken.
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February 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 pm
There’s a planning application in for the former Bank of Cypress (comfortably large site prominent on Denmark Hill next to the recently dead Kennedys) to become a Coral betting shop.
This positive leap in Camberwell’s climb up the greasy ladder of progress certainly gets my vote. I’ll be writing to Southwark with my endorsement and will send a letter of congratulation to Coral’s head office too, complimenting them on their vision and foresightedness.
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February 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
ONe day I’ll get round to giving the board members of Waitrose a call, just to remind them of the pent up potential round here.
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February 2nd, 2008 at 10:09 pm
*Give em’ booze and betting shops! That’s all they understand, Oh and a plethora of chemists to help provide some more drugs for all the negative side-effects it creates…
*Official Southwark Town Hall policy for all the citizen’s of Camberwell
We need to organize a Coup d’etat and take the power back - bring back more competent, smaller local authorities …I’m sure Dulwich and Peckham would be better off too…
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February 2nd, 2008 at 11:10 pm
There is broad agreement that Southwark Council should use its planning powers to limit the number of betting establishments in Camberwell.
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February 3rd, 2008 at 8:18 am
The woman I spoke to at the
livesey said the exhibition budget LBS gave them is 5k a year. I guess that’s behind the flimsiness. I think the livesey is one of those slightly odd and ropey gems you get round here - like the cuming, or the horniman - that add to the richness of the place. great shame if it went.
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February 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Hey Guru
pardon my ignorance, but can local authorities halt the growth of betting shops other than through stopping sites changing their usage classification? i thought [perhaps pessimistically] not. but if authorities can stop betting shops per se, how can we encourage them to do so? your guidance please!
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February 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
I’m with you in the coup, Eusebiovic, I mean behind you - a long way behind - wearing a plastic colander on my head and wielding a plastic spatula.
That’s what I mean, Florian, the Livesey does well on its tiny budget. They’ve had some fun shows there. I agree, the odder & ropier the better. The Cuming is great for odd and rope.
What the Livesey needs is a City sponsor - the museum becomes the Societe Generale Livesey, for instance, and lives on as beacon, or icon, of corporate sponsorship for children in poor areas. Actually, if many companies knew the potential value of the Livesey in that area - value for money as well - a lot would stump up and it wouldn’t take that much.
Of course, for it to become an icon or beacon it needs a vision.
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February 3rd, 2008 at 4:07 pm
The info I was given about the betting shop application might be out of date rumour. I found this on Southwark’s planning site:
Location: 14 DENMARK HILL, LONDON, SE5 8RZ
Proposal: Variation of condition 2 [restricting use to that of a building society or bank] of planning permission dated 3/10/1984 [application no. 1281-84 for use of ground and first floors as a bank] to allow use of the premises as a betting office [within Use Class A2].
Statutory start date: 27/04/2007
Decision issued: Refused.
However I’ll check with my friend again just to see.
It’s another site a Development Trust might have been able to get hold of.
Did I mention that I heard the freehold of The Castle pub on Castlemead is up for sale offers in the region of 1.5 million.
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February 3rd, 2008 at 11:25 pm
CITIZEN DODDS! Your phrase about the defunct sausage shops “dead Kennedys” (Posting No.36) did not go unguffawed at in the Dagmar family.
Well done, you slipped that in nice and neat, as we say in Denmark. You naughty boy!
I was in the Peckham Rye Lane (main shopping street) charity shop recently and there were two young punk men there dressed exactly as in the early 1980s with safety pins and the like in their heads and clothing, one with a dead Kennedys t-shirt safety-pinned to his towelling nappy arrangement.
One of them bumped into my Netto bag of cheap food and apologised.
I am serious! Like ghosts, they were gents.
Still, the sign taped to the Denmark Hill shop window “Alex Kennedy Established 1877″ is extremely poignant. Anyone who knows the real Camberwell knows that this is the end.
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February 4th, 2008 at 2:02 am
sad but I reckon for once it’s not Camberwell that put the Kennedy’s out of business, they just weren’t keeping up with the times. They could of though. They just didn’t. Greggs have kept up with the times (not in a way I like) but they are still here and they started in Gosforth in Newcastle a very LONG time ago.
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February 4th, 2008 at 11:25 am
How long do you give Keegan?
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February 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
For those that are interested, there is a “Save Livesey Childrens’ Museum” on-line petition that you can sign. Visit the site http://www.liveseymuseum.org.uk and follow the links.
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February 4th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
The thing I worry about with these online petitions is data privacy. Presumably you should use your own name and a real postcode, or it won’t be valid.
But then who knows where all this data goes and how it’s used?
Maybe I’ll make-up a name and use someone else’s postcode.
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February 4th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
Well done, Matt. I signed it. If the Livesey closes there should be riots.
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February 4th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
45 - Mark,
I agree with your point about Kennedy’s
I was very sad to see their demise but they didn’t move with the times…What with the recent trend for more traditional sausages made with a high percentage of good meat, they could of raised their game and made the effort to put themselves on the map.
Their shops just needed minimal cosmetic attention, but the range and quality provided could have definetely been improved
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February 4th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
I guess the large profits to be made selling off the sites meant that they had no incentive to innovate.
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February 5th, 2008 at 11:42 am
I anyone going to the Camberwell Comuunity Council Meeting tonight at 7pm in the Council Chamber in the Town Hall?
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February 5th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Is, isn’t it.
Is anyone going?
I think a Save the Livesey delegation should go, looking menacing.
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February 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Our eldest just got a flier through the post for the “X Marks The Spot” hands-on exhibition at the Livesey. It looks good. Especially because I like maps.
It’s always a really impressive exhibit there. More so if they only have £5k budget. We visit often.
Anyway, there’s a letter with it showing all the names and contact info of the councilors to harangue about this. Kind of long to type out by hand, so if anyone knows where this can be found online, that’d help.
The nutshell is, you have until February 11 to complain. The decision will be taken on February 12 at a 7:00pm meeting.
I’ll be phoning each of them directly to make my point. Might even go down there as Dagmar suggests.
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February 5th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Afternoon all important new 36 bus route news - 36 is going 24 hours and we have a new nightbus in the form of the 136.
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/emails/bus-service/Route-36-changes.pdf.pdf
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February 6th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Bank of Cyprus update. It’s still a live issue. Objections to be in by March. See the link. Tell your friends:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markdodds/2245374470/
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February 6th, 2008 at 9:08 am
The Livesey currently has a skeleton, decapitated head, and eviscerated corpse on display - so they could form the scary vanguard of a protest march come riot? Hey Peter, I think I overtook you on your Claud Butler heading up Walworth Road at about 9am yesterday. What a grim leg of the journey that is. Seems the whole development has been designed to hinder, cars, buses, pedestrians and cyclists equally. Dig ‘em in.
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February 6th, 2008 at 9:46 am
@56. Ignore the post it’s all 2007 and not live at all.
Please forgive my alarmist post and divert to the Livesey.
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February 6th, 2008 at 9:58 am
@Florian: Sounds like it was me, yes; was I singing? I usually sing to make the journey go faster. I’ve found the Walworth Rd generally better since the works finished, but this week it’s been rough again.
If you see me again, give me a big wave and shout “love the blog!”; that always makes my day.
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February 6th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Love Me, Love my Blog was a 1970s pop song wasn’t it.
The Camberwell Community Council meeting was due to discuss transpport. Did anyone go?
Talking of transport I saw Wagner go past today, the old diesel locomotive, pulling a vast number of huge containers, most of which were bound for Bari in Italy.
Some wag had deleted the letter “n” so the illustrious great big diesel beast was named “Wager” on one side.
I have emailed my councillors about the Livesey. It may seem peripheral and unnecessary, the Livesey, but the word shame is looming large over the town hall right now, in my view.
I we can’t fund a children’s museum amongst the estates of the Old Kent Road then let us march on the temples of Mammon and raze them to the ground.
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February 6th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Southwark Council in making a pig’s ear of Old Kent Road shocker…
Well I never! Because they have done such a grand job of preserving it’s character and history in the past haven’t they?
And now the Livesey, one of the few gems that they have not yet sabotaged is set to close and no doubt be replaced by a warehouse selling crap to the masses…Which they will be happy about and think that’s it’s an improvement to the profile of the road and to the life of the people who have to live there
What people travelling from Europe through Dover must think when they drive up that road and consider the Town Hall’s unique “vision” (moulded by unregulated free market forces)
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