Burgess Park Latest
Written by Peter | Filed under Development
Following public consultation, the plans for the regeneration of Burgess Park have been modified. You can read the full results of the consultation on southwark.gov.uk, but here are some of the key changes (taken from the press release:
- adjusting the locations of the reshaping of the park’s landscape
- keeping the cherry trees along Canal Walk
- keeping the trees along St George’s Way and Cobourg Road
- changing the location of the BMX track
- retaining the dry grassland near Canal Walk.
You can also read Southwark’s response to the Burgess Park Action Group.
I think it’s good that people are holding the Council to scrutiny, and good that the Council are listening and responding. I hope this way we’ll end up with a park that caters to everyone’s tastes.
Update: The following text is from Ruth Miller, Burgess Park project manager, and was left as a comment. I thought it deserved more prominence.
Throughout July we’ve been gathering your views on the latest proposals for Burgess Park, and incorporating them with the extensive consultation we’ve been doing over the last 16 months (more than 25 events and over one thousand responses in various forms). Some proposals have been supported, but there are others you were concerned about, and we have listened to you.
We’ve proposed some changes and you still have until the end of this week to have your say.
Tell us what you think by Friday 30 July.Send comments to: des.waters@southwark.gov.uk
View the proposed amendments set in the final consultation here: http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2418/burgess_park_presentation.
While I agree that local poeple should be heard and there was plenty of furore over the LDA scheme for Burgess park by many groups and individuals some who posted on here. It looks like a lot have time has been spent dispelling myths that have been brought up by these objectors.
It would be interesting to know what cost this has added to the project and will take away from the project costs. This sort of democracy costs highly with redesigns and officer time to sort out all objections raised. All because some of them got the wrong end of the stick and did not understand the project, they and are determined that their view is heard and implemented. Bring on the BIg Society so we can get more of this “efficiency”.
I’m not so sure ‘demolishing myths’ is what they’re doing, so much as ‘replying to objections’. The biggest myth that was demolished was the suggestion that an amphitheatre to host huge events was going to be constructed — and it was the developers own wording in the master plan that caused this to be circulated.
I think some of the BPAG’s points were very valid, some less so, and I agree that their language was too emotive; but I’m glad that they’re involved.
I hope the tunnel under Wells Way stays and that a section of the canal is reopened, because I believe that heritage is important; but if someone tells me they’re dangerous, I’d have to concede the point. With compromise, we’ll get a better park.
Canals cross the East End, they are great in every way. Only if they are filled with vitriol will they deflesh the tumbler-in as cleanly as a school of pirhana.
I’ve cycled along the Regent’s/Grand Union canals many times, and it’s an utter delight to see ducks and swans and perch and carp and pike; filling in the Grand Surrey was a mistake, in my opinion. Still, at least we can cycle beneath its bridges.
http://www.nothingtoseehere.net/2006/10/the_lost_canals_of_peckham_lon.html
eek, were you there, peter? sorry i missed you, i came straight from a fun ‘core strategy examination in public’ afternoon at tooley street
x
Unfortunately with compromise we often get a diluted design. The millennium dome was compromise over design. Having pedestrians going over Wells way instead of thru the tunnel was part of the original proposal way back last year when LDA were appointed why did it take until May for objections to be made? I am concerned that the costs incurred by the vocal minority will not give the park any significant enhancement.
Closer to home we have the Mary Datchelor redevelopment, which would have been an overcrowded nightmare of plastic and glass had it not been for the Camberwell Society; so a concerned local interest group can do good. I’m sure of it.
I believe in the innate goodness of people, despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Peter you are right to believe in the innate goodness of people. Unfortunately, by and large, people are guided by THE WAY IT IS and the way it is is, by and large, very stupid.
This brings us neatly to the activities relating to public consultation going on all around us. Public consultations which, if you’re honest about it, actually contrive to making live in a stressed inner city environment even MORE stressful. This is not rational. Public consultation processes wolf up cash and human resources while leaving a trail of dashed aspirations and deep disillusionment in the participants and labyrinthine outcomes that are impenetrable to all but the geekiest and least imaginative people in society with loopholes and defects which the next least imaginative people in society, DEVELOPERS, are able to run a cart and horse through to the applause of planning officers up and down the land.
From the ‘core strategy examination in public’ reports coming back that I’m reading it sounds more like ‘core public mass executions’ going on. We should, no MUST, APPLAUD the extraordinary people in SE5 who are finding the precious time in their busy lives, the energy and vision to take time off work, and finally the will to live through current ‘core public examinations’ for the benefit of generations of people to come.
There is something FUNDAMENTALLY wrong with ‘core public examinations’ that are in essence accessible ONLY to people who are either:
1) working in planning and doing it as a job
very interested, highly committed individuals having to take time off work to take part
2) working in other associated areas and doing it as part of their job
3) living off a trust fund and looking at getting into preperty development
4) in property development and doing it as part of the job
5) a journalist with a spectacular passion for ennui
6) on benefits with little better to do
7) homeless needing somewhere to keep out of the heat or to keep warm depending on the season
9) officers being paid to sift through tonnes of unintelligible paperwork and admin and all the gobbledigook getting it trussed up for public scrutiny
10) able to understand a Planning Idiom which reads to be a seamlessly unintelligible blend of Latin, Russian, Chinese, Double Dutch, Greek and Technical Jargon all rolled into one.
There’s no evidence anywhere that any serious thought has been put into how to make public consultation actually EFFECTIVE. Public consultation processes actually seem to throw up a barrier to engagement with the public which is why we see dreadfully planned urban environments all around us. Where public engagement HAS been effective in planning development, it hasn’t been taken as a model and used elsewhere.
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It’s not helpful to point this out but it is pretty desperately OBVIOUS that a HUGE shakeup needs to be done in the whole set up of our planning legislation because as is is, strategic area plans, blah blah blahs and all the other blahs simply doesn’t deliver good quality outcomes as a matter of course. We need environments that work for creating enjoyable, sustainable communities not that work for a developer’s balance sheet and desire to get in and out fast.
That was useful wasn’t it.
Urinate goodness of people? I collect my misreadings and put them in a little wooden box. Trouble is, I can’t find the box afterwards. So I start putting fresh misreadings in a new little box. And so on.
innate number six reporting on duty
xxx
saying that, one of the things i brought up today was how ‘we will continue to promote creative character of camberwell’ (from core strategy) translates into a planning application which provides less artists’ studios (wyndham road/camberwell road). or how ‘provision of community, arts & cultural spaces’ (again core strategy aspirations) in reality mean eviction of established community/arts etc groups (area 10 in peckham being the most recent example)
today we heard a few more times, just in case we is thick, how ‘core strategy is an overarching strategic document’ so it can’t have any details in it, nor, as it is at present, any strategy, because for a lot of the policies, strategies will be developed within area plans. so the idea of cohesion goes out the window.
Mark
The legacy of 19th Century economics still underpin everything that is being practicised today — Their rationale being big is beautiful (and cost-effective) when in reality the exact opposite always occurs…but then it’s all part of the masterplan which is to make sure things are in a confusing state (and cycle) of flux so nothing actually gets done apart from a lot of cap-doffing to the property developers
Which is why I have regularly proposed that there are some councils in London which should be divided into 2 seperate authorities once again…I have always though that Southwark was one such borough which would benefit from this…
Where’s the chainsaw and the scalpel?
peter, the moderation thing is on again, even when i’m not inserting links at all? :S
x
The Chainsaw and The Scalpel. I’m thinking of naming a new pub venue after this.
in texas.
eusebiovic
it used to be laissez faire bit is now Friedmanism — he gets paid for it. ironically it was the time of the chainsaw and scalpel — hand saw & scythe, the luddites, chartists and peterloo all happened during this period.
the 20c has also had the same problems with this economic policy — shah to ayatallah in persia/iran, various and sundried in s america and many of the ‘civil’ wars in africa.
Ian Tomlinson & the G20 war, kingsnorth and the stop’n search have undermined what little trust the law had — they are also going to cost a fortune in compensation and legal fees and the bunglers in blue complain about spending cuts.
when will we learn? history says not
The former The Castle, on Church St., is to reopen as “late night pub and music venue”, The Recreation Ground: http://www.recreationground.co.uk/
Re the former Castle/Castle/Snug/Snug/Babushka/Pacific Bar/Stirling Castle on Church Street. Another bunch of suckers going to have their shirts torn off their back under the gaze of Enterprise Inns Plc.
Check out the Recreation Ground’s flickr stream:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_rec_se5/4823364159/in/photostream/
I’m not being weird in saying this. I REALLY hope The Recreation Ground works really well — for Camberwell and for the new owners — a really good music venue is really needed all round and will be a really good addition to what is becoming a really good area. REALLY.
The new business will need to be reliably turning over £15K + a week to make it work for them. If they are tied and if they are paying the kind of rent I expect they will to Enterprise Inns, it will be tough for them. I really hope they manage it.
ari
It seems that all we are here for whether in life or death is merely to create landfill…anything else is uneconomic…
J Mark Dodds@
Now all somebody has to do is take on The Grand Union pub on Camberwell Grove and run it like a country pub (a good example of one of course!)
That is all that site needs…no brands,no chains,no gimmicks — just a rural country pub in the middle of the place where you would least expect it — the urban metropolis
I’m sure if the wealthy residents of the Grove gave enough of a shit they could all band together and buy the freehold to liberate it?
The last thing we need is another pub. If you want to go to the pub, you go to the Hermits Cave. That’s it.
Dagmar
I agree
Yes, The Hermits Cave is great
However, the last thing we need is another grocery store given a licence to sell alcohol — that’s a problem, I prefer the consumption of alcohol to take place in public houses
Some may remember I flagged up a few TV programmes about African evangelical churces and the issue of ‘witch children’.
C4 Dispatches looks into what’s happening here in the UK. What’s the betting that Camberwell and Peckham will feature in the filming?
C4, 8pm, tonight (Monday).
Mark are you facilitating dodgy Labour loans? Isn’t that your pub there? Hot bed of Labour iniquity aka the Sun and Doves!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1297612/Donor-Harman-visa-row-employed-workers-illegally.html?ITO=1490
Actually it looks like the Mail has put 2 and 2 together to get 3.14159265 or 7 or whatever vomit they are spouting today.
Funnily enough the comment section is less damning… but the comments after are great…include words like “balderdash”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1297449/MAIL-ON-SUNDAY-COMMENT-Immigration-perils-block-vote.html
We were down at Le Petit Parisien last night for a sneaky mohito. The place was packed, with diners and drinkers spilling out over the pavement chairs, relaxing to the sound of live jazz. Pretty impressive for a Sunday night. And at the Bear on Friday, we couldn’t even get a table and had to sit at the bar. Both places had really nice, laid back atmospheres. Earlier in the week we were in the Tiger, which was also quite busy (though we personally continue to object to being denied a wine glass from which to drink our wine). Camberwell’s pub scene seems pretty good at the moment!
And as for that ping pong table that’s been temporarily installed on Camberwell Green, let’s hope the council is inspired to install one as a permanent fixture. We have tried to play on it about 20 times and it’s always busy with groups of locals crowded around, playing with much cheery enthusiasm. If Camberwell has been lacking free, healthy entertainment for the post-playground generation, it seems to have found it in ping pong! I just dream that one day I’ll get a turn…
We went to LPP a couple of weeks ago on a Friday and it was also impressively busy. I have to be honest, I didn’t think it was going to survive — but it seems to have turned a corner. BTW: their steaks are truly excellent. Pro Tip: The chef seems to cook them for British taste (that is, a little too much), so if you want yours nice and pink order it rare rather than medium.
@MCat. Liking this hilarious quote!
Last night when confronted at his five-bedroom home in Lewisham, South-East London, about the allegation of illegal workers, Mr osaseri said: ‘Get the hell out of my house.’
Le PP. Yeah, I wondered if it would last too. It was empty for ages. Seems to be going OK at the mo. Mind you it did last summer as well, cos of the outside seating. Nice staff too. Wish they’d change those awful bucket seats inside though, which are also badly worn.
Apropos of food (is that a word or have I just spoken Spaglish?) went to Love Walk cafe again.
Still unimpressed. I find don’t understand a. why milkshakes and smoothies HAVE to be served in plastic.
b. why when I ask if I can have it in a glass there is a vacant look on the waitresses face and of the manager’s too.
c. How can you make a cup of normal tea taste awful? By using really cheap teabags apparently…
Not really impressed.
@gaycamberwell: oh table tennis is the future! it’s also really nice seeing grown men playing in the evening, and the green being alive and stuff.
you might like this too x
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5005360&id=624271835
Throughout July we’ve been gathering your views on the latest proposals for Burgess Park, and incorporating them with the extensive consultation we’ve been doing over the last 16 months (more than 25 events and over one thousand responses in various forms). Some proposals have been supported, but there are others you were concerned about, and we have listened to you.
We’ve proposed some changes and you still have until the end of this week to have your say.
Tell us what you think by Friday 30 July.
Send comments to: des.waters@southwark.gov.uk
View the proposed amendments set in the final consultation here: http://www.southwark.gov.uk/downloads/download/2418/burgess_park_presentation
Further to Eusebiovic’s comment, re: The Grand Union –
Has anyone been in there recently? We were in there at the weekend, going to eat and get some drinks, ten minutes later we were still standing at the bar while the understaffed bar-persons tried to deal with cocktail orders, very slowly, and without acknowledging new arrivals at the bar.
We left. This is the second time in a row that’s happened. That’s enough. I hope it shuts down.
@Norman Maine: Was Grand Union busy though? Do they still have bouncers at the door?
Norman Maine
There is another branch of Grand Union on the corner of Brook Drive in Kennington (opp. Imperial War Museum) and the service is much better there and the place always seems to do a brisk trade…especially on friday & saturday…the one on Acre Lane in Brixton mirrors this, I’ve been told by a friend who lives around the corner from it.
I can’t believe they took on the Grove though — their concept is an absolute disaster for such a location…Where do they get these people who make such bad decisions?
As mentioned before, I believe that place just needs to be run as a good solid local along the lines of a country pub — it’s a no-brainer and no I don’t have a “qualification” to enable me to come to that conclusion!
@Monkeycat: It wasn’t that busy. It was relatively early on a Saturday evening. That’s why we left. We thought there was no point staying around till it got busy. If it ever gets busy.
@ Eusebiovic: Funny, I used to live on Brook Drive. That’s where they filmed the video for “Come On Eileen”.
I’ve got a great idea for the Grove but not the 4,000,000 smackers to buy the place and make it work the way it oughtta.
And YES it was at S&D that the fund raiser happened. Say No More.
A serious plea for help: We have two Old Spot pigs being grown up to slaughter for The Sun and Doves. I wanted to do a butchery class, which seemed like a good idea six months ago but I’d not thought it through enough. That’s a lot of pig. More pig than we can hold.
Does anyone know somewhere local where we can hold the sides in cold storage until they’re butchered? It would be for about ten days…
HELP!
And we’re going to do a wine and cheese evening for everyone interested in buying their pub http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesunanddoves/4437179086/lightbox/ excuse the hair
When would be best for this? Saturday? Sunday? What time? Is August silly? Should it be mid September?
I’ll give the story and where we’re up to.
Remember Geno? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnoUlZnwYy4
That ‘Come on Eileen’ video comment sent me off on a reverie…
See Brook Drive as it was
Anytime is a good time for the wine n cheese. I like August as it feels quieter. It’s a bit more of an autumnal thing though isn’t it if you have reds n things.
Olympics a coming! But once you’ve seen the 2012 logo for what it is — Lisa Simpson sucking someone off — then it’s impossible to unsee it.
Just think, some cretin got paid a lot of money for that logo, and a board of idiots approved it.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!
now I have images of a cartoon character performing fellatio in my head and it won’t go away…
So very, very wrong.
I need pointers to a cold room please.
http://bit.ly/90YVVv
Phil G’s comment nicely sums up the olympics for what they have become.
‘performing fellatio in my head’? hmmmh…
@ Mark, Maybe the Crypt under St Giles has a cold store.. if not perhaps the morgue at Kings?.. lateral thinking if slightly morbid.
Oh Yay thanks Nick.
Another little bit of fame comes trickling out of SE5. Anyone know this man:
http://bit.ly/dy9F06
I do. Paul’s been a regular attender of SE5 Forum public meetings for several years. And of most other fora where nibbles can be found.
I forgot to mention that Paul and I are facebook friends and we share the honour (admittedly along with lots of others) of being Community Champions for Southwark.
Elevation indeed. Any more err, more practical suggestions for cold storage locally?
That guy Paul Yarrow was the subject of an article in the Standard today:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23860903-story-behind-the-man-whos-always-behind-the-news-reporters.do
Also, today’s Homes & Property special was about Camberwell:
http://es.homesandproperty.co.uk/property_news/hot_areas/spotlightoncamberwell.html
Peter
I saw that article in the H&P of the Evening Stagnant…And taking into consideration the latest core strategy shenanigans this paragraph stood out like a beacon:-
“Shopping is not one of Camberwell’s strengths. The shops are clustered around Camberwell Green, Denmark Hill and Camberwell Church Street. There is a big Morrisons supermarket in the Butterfly Walk shopping centre; Sophocles is a Greek bakery; Cruson sells a wide range of fruit and vegetables; Pesh is a lovely flower shop; while Cowling and Wilcox claims to be the biggest art shop south of the river”
Hmmmmmm (strokes chin)
“There are people who live in Camberwell who could afford to live in Kensington, but choose to live here because of the quality of the architecture.”
Pfffffffffff! Yeah right.
Or does he mean they could only get a studio flat in Kensington so choose a house in SE5?
God I hate estate agents. They really are the pits. Haart on Camberwell Green especially.
BurgerWatch update.
I tried a burger n chips at The Phoenix. It was OK. A bit too well done (doubt it was fresh mince anyway), not bad value considering the fries were included too, just a bit unremarkable.
Prior to this we went to the GU recently. It was a good effort for sure, and my partner rated it higher than S+D, though I’m not sure why.
For me it goes thus:
1. S+D
2. GU
3. Tiger
4. Phoenix
4th was by no means bad though. We’re doing OK for pub burgers here.
Whilst listening to the fantastic series on the Old Bailey on Radio 4 the St. Giles Workhouse was mentioned. There are several St. Giles workhouses but did dig up this about the one in Camberwell which became the St. Giles Hospital on Brunswick Square, which apparently is being made into flats.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?StGiles/StGiles.shtml
@Monkeycat: That link is to the Holborn St Giles. Our St Giles is already flats, isn’t it? At least part of it is. The Camberwell Workhouse Infirmary: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15020107@N03/4657856564/
Burger Watch. Thanks for the plus up on that Phil G. Burgers are a funny issue. We didn’t do them on the regular menu at S&D for a decade for several reasons:
1) getting good quality consistent burger is, believe me, a hard thing to achieve in house. I do not know why because I can make a mean burger myself but for some obscure reason commercial chefs find them labour intensive, difficult to handle from health and safety point of view, even harder to keep consistent quality and on and on and on, I tell you it’s life sapping. And don’t, ever, ask about hand cut chips unless you have an hour to spare, and ear plugs to hand.
1a) having decided that finding a good burger is, as with the hold grail and the perfect chef, worth working on and if I could end up with a burger like one I expect to get when I go to Joe Allen in Exeter Street Covent Garden, where I worked for a few years in the early 80’s, a proper, real, American tasting burger, served with gherkin and onion and tomato only with chips on the side, would help make us busy for food instead of for drink I determined to research the burger conundrum.
2) burger buns. I, honestly, spent five months searching, sampling and rejecting buns at one stage and burgers didn’t get on the menu because they were all sweet and cotton woolly. Ended up getting buns from Old Post Office Bakery in Landor Road for a long time but I had to collect them myself and that, at times, proved to be a horrible pressure. In this time I spoke to CEO of GBK and he said his experience of nailing down the perfect bun was as mine.
3) eventually I talked and talked and talked with Jean Paul Huberman at Franconian Sausage Company and tasted and tasted and tasted different blends of mince and fat and ended up with our burgers made at his stainless steel unit in Borough. Jean Paul makes fantastic sausages by the way, the merguez and Nuremburgers are just excellent. And eventually out of the blue discovered super deliverable buns from KFF a very decent dry goods wholesaler in Kent.
4) The last point is this; and it held me up for years: once you have a burger on the menu your menu is a slave to the burger. And before long everyone else in the area is doing burgers and your menu looks like everyone else’s.
What do you do then?
Start looking for the perfect… but no. I’ve been doing that for fifteen years and it never came along.
Back to Yesterday’s News and
Property stuff, a spotlight on Camberwell: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesunanddoves/4840503134/#/photos/thesunanddoves/4840503134/lightbox/
and Paul Yarrow in the Torygraph. I find it soooo exciting that Paul shirks his new found fame and says he doesn’t like the limelight. He’s a nice bloke but, ironically, doesn’t have the cheek needed to bathe in the glow of what he’s achieved through diligent hours of standing around doing absolutely nothing in the background.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesunanddoves/4839890109/#/photos/thesunanddoves/4839890109/lightbox/
@MonkeyCat — I live in one of the buildings that used to be St Giles Hospital. The building next to us (opposite Brunswick Park) which was a chiropractor etc for King’s has applied again for planning permission (we get about one per year). This time the plans do look good (no monstrous glass buildings etc etc) so hopefully that one will be converted soon — it’s currently just rotting since the NHS moved out and it’s a truly beautiful piece of arts and crafts architecture.
The round tower behind it was also part of the original hospital.
Slave to the Burger?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thesunanddoves/4839886811/#/photos/thesunanddoves/4839886811/lightbox/
re paul yarrow: that’s modern art at its best x
I see in the Times property map of London today that Peckham is a blackspot for people leaving the area in search of better primary schools.
re gala bingo hall — somebody mentioned how the planning officer in charge is on holiday — this then makes it the third time planning officers meant to be helping residents with planning application in camberwell are on holiday. when the job centre application was live, it took at least a week to get to talk to someone about it. when the camberwell rd/wyndham road redevelopment came up, the planning officer never returned emails or phone messages.
now this one.
very poor show.
@Phil G — secondary school is an even bigger issue. “White-Flight” out to Beckenham or Sevenoaks typo thing.
Srsly thou, where’s a good state comprehensive around here? Any recomendations?
Kingsdale and Charter are good.
The big gig tomorrow is the grand official opening of the new play area in Lucas Gardens. Then on Sunday, as bugled — parped, tromboned — on the truly local People’s Republic of Southwark website, the Bellenden Road Nature Garden near Lidl will be opened by Councillor Mark Glover sometime between 11am-3pm on Sunday. The new gates to the garden are superb. These are good times around here to be a small child or gnome.
Talking of small children, I was offered a charming painting of an English village scene yesterday, with the church clock being an actual clock — all it needed was an AA battery — by some charming small black children “collecting money for poor children in Africa”. Unfortunately the clock was £5.50 “though we can reduce the price”. I hope someone bought it, because it was such a nice picture, for such a good cause.
@dagmar: funny you should be talking about local while im listening to a programme with reece shearsmith. i would like to say that we are not local in that way. just in case.
Regarding the church — I think we can learn from the experience of the Crystal Palace campaign, there is for example a letter at http://www.campaign.picture-palace.org/?page_id=494 which could be adapted — keep the objections to tangible things like the increase in traffic, lack of parking, number of other similar establishments nearby and dont let subjective ‘emotional’ opinions enter into it. Also try and link it in to the unitary development plan, Southwark initiatives, regeneration, London-wide initiatives etc
Lil, yeah, I know you are locally global and globally local. What is the slogan? Act loco, be dayglo. No, shop local, go solo. No, no logo, wake me up before you go go. Liliana, help needed here on the bondage stall, I mean badge stall.
Did anyone attend the Lucas opening or the Bellenden Road Nature Park ribbon cutting? The Dagmars had to work a shift on the international space station this weekend and missed both events.
The newspapers finally twig to Ganapati
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/jul/31/ganapati-london-se15-review
Am I the only one who is rather underwhelmed by Ganapati?
we don’t do slogans, but choose to follow the gourd instead.
Gay
No. It’s better than average. But overpriced.
Liliana, you are such a gourd woman. All these tubby men going on about their grub here — for gourd’s sake!
“Oh! The shellfish!”
“Ooh! the langoustines!”
“Ooooh, but please, the sea bass!”
“NO! SURELY the rack of lamb!”
“Oooh!”
“Suits you, sir!”
etc.
vegan fru and fru
Gunshot Lyndhurst Grove tonight, top of Shenley, small calibre, 5 holes in a car window, everywhere taped off — crap people, big gun, little dick.
Did anyone see Hamlet v. Palace tonight? Eus?
Really? Gunshots there? Whereabouts was the car Dagmar?
I swear that wedge of Camberwell is gettiing worse.
I actually heard the shots last night, I just didn’t realise that’s what they were; thought it was bangers or firecrackers. Took a look this morning but there was nothing to see.
Just saw this on Twitter: Police appealing for witnesses to a shooting yesterday Lyndhurst Grove. 17-year-old boy was sitting in a parked car when he was shot at.
About 5 shots through the driver’s window of a silver car. Hooded figure loped off dragging knuckles on ground. Car reversed into wall of house, minor damage to wall. The new houses — Cactus Close, etc. — contain youth who are always being investigated — two weeks ago amazing dawn raid complete with mediaeval door-basher-inner, which the polis call “an enforcer”.
Trident kinda ting. I am amazed that that chewing gum is branded “Trident” here. Nissan have called their new motor the “Nissan Juke” without checking. Damilola was “juked”.
Anyway, Cactus Close, etc., is like the Wild West. The residents there have every right to be apprehensive whilst Billy the Kid lives amongst ‘em. Maybe they should suggest he moves to Tombstone.
I suspect that the latest shootings were down to a certain type of middle class professional person’s insatiable appetite for marching powder…It nearly always is, but nobody likes to admit it.
No, that would be too naive…
Tapped up my contacts in the Cadeleigh Arms re: the shooting. Apparently the victim staggered into the pub dripping blood, requested an ambulance, then left. And Dagmar fit the address right.
Eh, man. Dis is a case for Miss Marple.
Yeah, over the past year I’ve spotted groups of unfriendly looking yoofs hanging around Cactus Close outside one of the houses. Also seems to be a focal point for hoodies on scooters.
It’s a strange place for them. It’s not like Lettsom or Sceaux there. They look like newish redbrick private houses. The sort of place a young middle class couple could’ve bought, only to find out with horror that the neighbours weren’t that great and the quirkily named Close was a Police hotspot.
Where was this club? Anyone go?
http://www.southlondonpress.co.uk/tn/News.cfm?id=26607&headline=Camberwell%20nightclub%20take%20council%20to%20court
It was on Camberwell New Road bythe railway bridge opposite the Bear and the Camberwell Station Road. I often used to go by and it always looked busy. There was an article about it in the paper when it closed — http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/apr/06/race.arts
I see the Sun and Doves food is reviewed in Southwark News http://www.southwarknews.co.uk/00,news,20450,185,00.htm
Imperial Garden: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pgasston/34639104/
Went to Imperial Gardens, it was interesting, urban, genuinely edgy. There was respect for that place, respek, arks anyone who went.
I’m slightly amazed that the Imperial Gardens thing is still wending its way through the courts. “The club, which closed in 2003, had a reputation as a talent factory for black musicians, writers and artists.”
It had a reputation as being a REALLY dodgy venue where drinks were paid for but not rung into the till, where people were searched for drugs on entry because the club had a zero tolerance policy but drugs could be bought from the security guards once inside… the very same drugs that had been confiscated at the door by the very same security guards.
And for having still wet paint in the loos and no toilet paper with which to wipe it off your clothing.
The club’s rather late license was granted in part on the grounds that it was a nurturing ground for young under opportunitied talent.
Southwark Council’s Entertainments Licensing department at the time had a reputation for being somewhat errr dodgy too. Good luck to them with the lawsuit.
It was edgy, yes, made you a bit nervy-edgy, ready to take flight in your latest trainers. Only a matter of time before gunshot. But it was extremely popular — you’d see all kinds of people there.
On a lighter note.…
http://londonist.com/2010/08/preview_jerk_cook-off_the_horniman.php
Luck the word “cook” is in the title really.
Fuck the word cock is in the title. That’s always good, that jerk-off at the horny man. Leg, breast — all done to sizzling perfection. The oral delight of the south London summer.
The Michaelmas daisies are very early this year, at least a month early, always the saddest sight of the summer, but usually seen in early September. They mark the turn towards winter in this country.
It is the most natural thing in the world to die, but not from being shot. We Dagmars hope the chap who was shot opposite Ainsworth Close gets well soon and that the joker who did it — they know who it is — hands himself in to the Trident team soon.
Lord Harris, diamond geezer, where are you? In retail, you’d get a carpeting for all this. This is Britain, not flippin’ Sierra Leone or Liberia.
Ahhhh memories. Did we see loads of people of all kinds there at Raymond’s club. He and I had a dialogue for a while based around Southwark’s Entertainments Licensing team being determined to close us both down. Unless we paid them off of course. Raymond would tell them when he was being threatened with infringements of the licence ‘fuck off you’re only doing this because I’m black’ and they’d back off fast. HE recommended I try the same race card. It didn’t work. By the time Southwark found all of my complaints against the authority UPHELD, Pacific Bar (soon to be the Recreation Ground) was long closed, I was suffering the onset of clinical depression, flat broke with personal debts running into the tens of thousands, left with a fight on my hands over tenure of The Sun and Doves and too exhausted to seriously contemplate suing Southwark for its Licensing team having effectively closed me down.
I like that joke chicken thang too… basically Londonist recommends do not eat the jerk but go instead for corn on the cob with iced tea.
Going to CAMRA’s beer festival at Earl’s Court today, not to drink beer, oh no, this is to pow wow with the CAMRA executive and meet the Institute for Public Policy Research in person. Will be fun.
ON a fun note the Crypt at St Giles is now being managed by Some Kind of Blue, a company set up for the purpose of nurturing and developing the venue and enhancing its jazz programme and reputation nationwide. Come along on Friday nights to see what’s going to happen.
Put camberwellcrypt.com in your bookmarks to see what’s on. It will be live in the next 24 hours or so…
Oriole at the Crypt last night:
http://flic.kr/p/8qaS64
Really lovely. Really exceptionally talented musicians all working together beautifully. Listen here:
http://www.oriole-music.co.uk/home.html
Tried to get take away from JJ Caterers last night and it was closed. While Safa turned out surprisingly well, we are worried: is something going on with JJs?
I don’t think JJ’s is doing too well. I am a complete curry addict and WISH they were good, but I’ve tried them a few times and found the rice chewy, the meat dodgy and everything absolutely drowning in fat. I’d love to use them as they are on my doorstep but the food is just really poor quality in my opinion. Bermondsey tandoori are the best indian around by a mile. We always get our deliveries from there.
I went back to Safa the other day for the first time in a long time — like 2 years or something. Previously it had just become too average and bland to be worthwhile, so I would go elsewhere for an Indian.
Anyway, was pleasantly surprised as it was definitely tastier and more interesting. Would go back again. Also, let’s face it, it’s one of the ‘nicer’ restaurant interiors in SE5.
Mangals the other day. Standards there still good but definitely slipping slightly. Starter bread not as fluffy n fresh as usual, onion a tad undercooked. Mains short on brown rice and not as well presented. The lamb ribs weren’t as good as last time — tougher, less meat. Minor things though. It’s still a good option.
I switched from Safa to Indiaah (on Denmark Hill) this year, and it’s much nicer; sauces are thicker, much less watery than Safa’s. Mind you, if Safa have improved I might check them out again for nostalgia’s sake.
I always found JJs to be too rich, massively over-spiced.
I went into Safa on the off-chance the other week and it had definitely improved, I thought. Particularly the service.
Missing the Silver Buckle so much that me and the Piano Man from Loughborough Junction went to Bananas on Walworth Road on Saturday.
Anyone else tried it?
4 pounds for a pint of dish water and a bit quiet but I will go again before I give up the dream..
just to prove that even vegans eat, we had some stuff from safa & one of the aubergine dishes was absolutely delicious although soooooper-hot (i tend to struggle with spicy food but this was maybe more ginger and/or something else than chilli)
if any of you know what it was we had or even the recipe that’d be brilliant x
i was a bit lazy there. it was baingan bhartha apparently
Mangal last night. The food was good all round. The wine, Rioja 1999, was dull and bitter. The service cloyingly over attentive at the wrong moments.
Consistency is the grail of food establishments.
Met Ken Livingstone today. That was interesting. http://flic.kr/p/8qSYh7
I am no curry expert but for a takeaway delivery, I’ve always found The Chutney opposite Brockwell Park pretty reliable…they deliver to the whole of SE5 too…
Old Skool but in a good way…the sauces are tasty and the rice and naans always very acceptable
Recently returned from the Eastern end of Europe and a lunch at the S&D yesterday got me wondering if said hostelry had had its butchery event or did the pig get away.
http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/this_little_piggy.gif
Classy walk through Camberwell Green this morning.
7 or 8 people sprawled out drunk (or drinking).
2 women vomiting on a tree(between sips of Special Brew).
Sets you up properly for a day at work.
Camberwell has a long history of drunkenness, licentiousness, bawdiness and mental illness. It has always been thus, it may always be thus.
Perhaps what you felt was jealousy at the liberty of these itinerants on the fine sunny morning after a refreshing rainstorm.
Yesterday I saw a very large middle-aged man furiously cycling up Denmark Hill on a toddler’s bike. Perhaps mentally ill, or maybe just keen to lose weight; or indeed both.
@StGiles LOL! Like it. What time was this?
A while back I was begged off near the entrance to McDonalds. I’d had a few pints.
Beggar goes ‘Can I have some change?’. Normally I don’t give them anything. ‘Is it for drink’ I asked.
There was a long pause. ‘Is it for a drink?’ I repeated. Yes, he muttered. Well that’s OK then, here’s £2.
You see, I understand the power of Super. Got some in the fridge in fact. Great stuff. Spesh is OK and I suppose the strong cider is cheap, but really Tennents rules.
for those of you who think camberwell could do with a cultural/arts/community space as opposed to another place of worship, please have a look at
http://www.peoplesrepublicofsouthwark.co.uk/index.php?option=com_k2&view=itemlist&layout=category&task=category&id=11&Itemid=15
ari’s been doing tons of reading up on planning policies & data, notes are in ex gala bingo hall change of use articles. i sent in the objection to the planning people today, which is the gala bingo objection part one (as it refers only to the 10/ap/1875 which is for change of use).
we’ve just had a look at the neighbourhood consultation document on the council’s website (updated daily) and the supporters of hop have sent in some 25 letters of support.
deadline is 20th or 22nd. best go for 20th august.
@PhilG — about 7:30 am! Maybe there was a tinge of jealousy there
Incidentally the ex-hospital next to us opposite Brunswick Park has now been infested with squatters. Guess that’s what happens when places are left to rot.
Have reported it to King’s College, the NHS, the council and the police, but based on those houses by Denmark Hill station, I’m not sure much will happen.
There was a security guard, but he was ‘let go’ — probably as part of the budget cuts.
*sigh*.
I wouldn’t think of the squatters as a bad thing; they tend to keep the places clean and in good order, and quite often have interesting cultural events and workshops. Much better than leaving the place to the pigeons, as they’ve done at the houses next to Denmark Hill station; I can’t believe they evicted the squatters from there and allowed the flying rats back in, the place must be a health hazard.
I have the impression that Windsor Walk is still squatted. Saw a chunky ex military vehicle decamping peeps into one of the buildings a couple of days ago.
There has been a ‘serious accident’ on Denmark Road this evening. Denmark and Station Roads cordoned off by the junction with the bridge. Flowers on ground outside the former Denmark pub. Looks more like a hit and run to me.
But then what do I know? I’m just a regular uninformed citizen who’s lived here for a long time. Denmark Road is a RAT RUN of course, being part of the border between Lambeth and Southwark. No speed restrictions. Sorry I mean ‘sinusoidal humps’. No. I meant ‘sleeping policemen’. Or is it ‘speed humps / bumps / traffic calming measures’.
Walking home I was only let through the cordon because I live INSIDE the cordon. Only the third time I’ve been in this situation in 10 years. And if I add the Sun and Doves into it that’s SIX times in ten years rozzers have (understandably) stopped me going about my boring way as a matter of course.
‘You will be staying in tonight sir?’
I have some pics.
Make do and mend times hasten upon us. Soon King’s itself will be squatted when it cannot pay back its public private partnership payments.
The pigeons will let us go. Soon this message board will be a where the food at the back of the supermarket is site. That is to say, blank.
At the squat on Camberwell Rd they had this tattoo / body art cabaret:
http://www.tattoocircuslondon.com/
They also had workshops showing how to build /fix bikes.
They are make do and mend people par excellence.
Kate Clunn has died at 88, once Labour Mayor of Southwark, obituary in Guardian “Other Lives” 11 August, good article by Max Hastings in the Mail is also googlable.
We will not see her like again, not even amongst the circus anarchists, anarchist trick cyclists, nu-crustaceans or old-skool crusties.
@Mark — Here’s the accident; the driver did stop at the scene: http://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/8330176.BECKENHAM__Boy__15__fighting_for_life_after_crash/