All’s Well. Never Give Up.
Written by Peter | Filed under Development, Eating & Drinking, Transport
What with bus crashes and Phil G retiring, it’s one of those times where everything seems a bit screwed. But, chin up! The sun is out and there’s a lot happening.
Let’s start with the good news. Today I had a day off and the chance to walk around Camberwell and see some of the good side of it. Breakfast at Johanssons followed by a swim at the Baths, and what a marvellous job they’ve done of restoring it; a really beautiful, first class job. The pool looks brilliant and enticing, the changing rooms are modern and clean. Well done to everyone involved. In the reception they’ve a cartoon from 1907 of the Camberwell Ladies fighting to keep the Baths open. Thanks to them, we can enjoy the pool 100 years later.
Later I had a patty from Patty Island, which I probably don’t mention enough even though they make tasty snacks.
Last weekend I went to The Crooked Well, and they’ve done a great job there too; a proper, full redevelopment, not just a lick of paint. The place was busy but we got a table, and the food was delicious. It’s not cheap — about £15 for a main — so it’s a place you’d go to for an occasion, not an off-the-cuff bite to eat (at least, that’s the case for me; richer readers may find that exceptional value). One gripe: the beer’s exactly the same as every other pubco pub. Would be nice to have some more tasty craft beers, but them’s the breaks, I guess.
There’s work going on at (the former?) Funky Munky. I asked in The Hermit’s what was going to happen there, and they said a pub with food, nothing different or more elaborate. All will be revealed.
The bad news? Well, not so much bad, as uncertain. Camberwell’s going through a change at the moment; the old Cypriot Camberwell is disappearing. Paul’s Continental seems to be over, Tadim show no signs of reopening, Cruson’s days are shortening fast… pretty soon only Sophocles (Edit: and The Vineyard) will remain. What will we become when Little Cyprus is forgotten?
More certainly, from 2012 Denmark Hill loses it’s direct connection to London Bridge. It means a change at Peckham Rye, an inconvenience for many people. Also, it could mean the loss of service to London Victoria, which is possibly more serious.
Those aren’t all the changes at Denmark Hill; the row of houses along Windsor Walk is finally being restored — seems they’re to be part of the Hospital, although would have been better if they were private residences, to make that walk seem a little safer at night. Also, work has begun on the new station entrance; a temporary footbridge will be introduced as a first step.
And talking of changes, Burgess Park is to be mostly closed off while the regeneration begins. There’s a map showing the areas that will be out of bounds for a while.
So, lots going on, more even than I’ve mentioned here. The Sun & Doves has had a stay of execution, the Mary Datchelor development looks lovely, work has begun on the old Town Hall buildings… as the Funky Munky used to say (paraphrasing Winston Churchill): Never Give Up.





Cheers Peter. I’ve yet to go to Baths despite living 3 minutes down the road, but after that glowing review, i’m there. Same too for the Crooked Well seeing as Tiger stopped doing Doombar.
Cruson’s must live on!!! I’m going to buy much more than just my christmas trees from there from now on. Sucks about Denmark Hill, but it always was a station to nowhere… roll on the Cwell tube! Where’s the petition?
Nice post. I love good news… I remember once a few years ago nearly crashing the car I was driving in the USA as I was listening to the BBC World Service because every story was a good news one. Wars ending, People found safe and sound, Ban Ki Moon sorting out something or other.
@Phil: in the words of Hothouse Flowers “Don’t go. Don’t leave me now, now, now…”. And to emphasise the point the Reverend Richard Cole in the Communards said “Don’t leave me this waaa-eh-eh-ay”. But I have to say that I like the random way the conversation flows. It’s very much like real life.
I thought the former funky monkey (frumpy monkey?) was only going to do drinks and no food. Have they changed their minds? Hope so.
More good news, the secret garden is looking absolutely stunning at the moment. It’s open on Thursday’s and Sunday’s from 2pm-5pm. We would love to open more but need people who can commit to opening up…If you’d like to get involved please get in touch. It can be a group of people who can take it in turns to open up once a week. But in any case do come and have a look. It’s truly lovely.
http://www.camberwellsecretgarden.co.uk
Finally, (blimey this is turning into a Mark length reply) There is news on the bingo hall, mostly positive I believe, but now is not the time. Do watch out for more news soon.
Not Cruson! Is the perceived decline down to trade, or upcoming retirement of the owners with offspring perhaps not looking for a career in greengrocery? Would be a crying shame, either way.
Good news that the Sun & Doves might live on a little longer.
@mattioats Just to be clear, I don’t have any definitive news about Cruson, but I’ve heard that he wants to retire, poss. even this year. Maybe it will live on, maybe not.
Yes times are changing but then they always do — 3 shops closing — great we can have some more african churches as Camberwell hasn’t got many of those.
Basics — the bus crash shop — was having a sale on saturday in the alley behind the shop in Danville Road — they have to get rid of everything before the internal work can begin so many bargains to be had. They said they would be there this week as well so keep your eyes open.
just one more thing — is there any way of changing this american way of writing the date — its very confusing.
Date fixed; sorry I didn’t notice it before.
Ah, here we are. Is it May or July? It’s nice and sunny, anyway. The new Funky Munky will surely be the most enigmatic alehouse in Camberwell when it opens soon and therefore in the world. The Pub With No Name. Perhaps it will be like this:
Or this.
Fat chance. Never mind “Never Give Up”, round here it’s always: “Progress without change”.
Perhaps Peter’s positive post paves the way for a happier Camberwell happening today. Even the light-grey rain dampens down the dust and gives the midsummer flora an extra thrust.
Don’t know why Phil G flounced off. I/we crowd-sourced a schedule for all day sunshine drinking in the pubs of Camberwell the other week. A follow-the-sun-bender all within a square mile. How more hyper-local can you get?
Speaking of localists — the @Here_Be_Angels podcast from Peckham raises us all up to Radio 4’s cultural plateau.
Slightly off topic (as usual), but would like to spread this around — an easy way to mail your MP to protest against Murdoch.
He’s weak at the moment .. time to move in.
https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/Murdoch-MP
Too late St. Giles Mr. Murdoch has pulled the rug from under you all, he is just too quick for the joe in the street and of course our very astute politicians.
@Chunters
No more News Of The World — but hello The Sun on Sunday…
Same paper different name…
It seems to me we in this country hate anybody who has made a success of a business.…
…and the next thing is we are all down the Hermits watching the Cricket or Football supplied by that success.
Hypocrisy.
Or the Sunday Sun.
@Chunters: It’s not the success that people hate, it’s the manner in which the success is achieved.
No, I’m down at the Hermit’s cave watching cricket (couldn’t care less about national football leagues) only because SKY paid a fortune to take it off terrestrial telly. That’s not hypocrisy. Nor is it choice.
Hypocrisy is what politicians do when they wash their hands by saying “it’s all the previous administrations/ministers fault that we can’t stop Murdoch buying B Sky B/giving huge train building contracts to other countries/etc”.
True — or hating bad jornalism (rightly) unless it suits your views (Johann Hari)
Best post to date Peter.
Horace Andy at the Country show. You heard it!
It’s on Sky so I never see it.
Horace Andy, you serious? That’s serious serious!
It’s ages since I’ve posted, but I’ve been lurking and reading nevertheless. Started to feel more a leech than a lurker, because blogs survive on active participation. Will try to do better.
The Murdoch/Brooks saga fills me with hope — the witch-hunters become the hunted — about time too. Here’s to a very big dose of your own medicine.
Camberwell looks great this morning in the sunshine and the trees gently swaying in the wind.
A film studio in Rotherhithe is trying to buy out its landlord by issuing shares to the local community. I wonder if this could be a template for other such projects — I’m thinking of the Sun & Doves? Read the full story here: http://www.stephenwilmot.com/2011/07/how-to-buy-your-local-film-studio.html
“Pictures, Places & People: Elephant to Camberwell” is a really great little exhibition at the Cuming Museum which every Camberwellist must see. There is an excellent loop of black-and-white film and some atmospheric paintings of our endz — one of Church Street with the last trams and a strangely truncated Triumph Mayflower. Good work, Cuming.
On a more sombre but somehow mellow note, maybe we should take PhilG’s ashes to Margate on a south-east road trip. We could hire the Turner Contemporary for a function and even leave the urn there in perpetituity.
That has persuaded me on the Cuming Museum exhibition, Dagmar. I’ve seen the banner outside as I’ve passed on the bus, but now I’m going to go in and see it. I’ve seen some pictures of The Elephant before the 60’s recast and they are fascinating.
Something rather wonderful seems to be taking shape inside the old Funky Munky, something to savour, something simple and well crafted.
Just got back from a Simply Marvellous, very down to earth, weekend at Blackboys, East Sussex. Camping at a wedding with the kids in a field. With sheep. And chickens and cows and lots of other kids. Lunch in Lewes today at the Snowdrop Inn. And it didn’t rain on the day. Puts Camberwell in perspective.
Err… Who’s Horace? Andy.
@Stephen Rex: Interesting! I’m working on something like that now — . You Heard It!
Look forward to Hermits. A.S.A.P!
Did I say Hermits? Meant Funky Munky. Slip of the keyboard.
Mark
You might be interested in this report if you’re working on a community share issue. Perhaps you’ve seen it.
http://www.dta.org.uk/Resources/Development%20Trust%20Association/Documents/Other/community%20shares%20Final.pdf
florian, that’s really very useful thanks, I will read it in detail. I’d not seen this before but do know about the Camberwell Project which, as well as doing research, is also a community hub, confusingly based in Leeds I seem to remember.
That report is very useful. Just bear in mind that tax relief on the Enterprise Investment Scheme has risen from 20% to 30% since it was written (it was one of the things the coalition did in their recent “Budget for Growth”).
Which is tax dodging by UK Uncut standards.
Incredible that Sir Peter Blake who was on the telly the other night will be at GX Gallery tomorrow evening.
Volunteers needed to distribute flyers. SE5 Forum is organising a summer event on Camberwell Green on 23 July.
Can you help spread the word? Could you doordrop leaflets to your neighbours? Do you know a local shop that would display a poster?
Get Set Southwark will be a day of family fun, games and give-it-a-go sports tasters with music, singing, dancing and a farmers market and crafts fair.
If you can help with leafleting or posters please email getsetsouthwark@gmail.com
(Sorry if my shameless begging is thought unsuitable for this forum…)
I will get my team of personality girls to help, Jesmond.
Peter Blake is at GX Gallery on Friday 6.30–9.30pm not tomorrow as I posted above. GX do a good opening night.
The exhibition at the Cuming Museum about our area gets better and better with every visit. The film playing on a loop is brilliant in a Harry Enfield way — about 5 minutes — about the old borough of Camberwell, made by the South London Film Society in 1955.
It begins hilariously with the weights and measures bloke going with his mate into the Plough in Dulwich to check out their whisky measures. The chap says he has to check everything that’s sold in Camberwell in this way. “This morning, it’s Scotch whisky.”
Morning! You just must see it.
Too true Dagmar: Peter Blake at GX Gallery
I went to see “The Tree of Life” at the Ritzy on sunday night.
There were queues trailing out of the doors onto the new plaza for all films and the bar was rammed to capacity.
And then they say there is no demand for local cinema screens — Hmmmmm?
The film is good — it’s a hugely ambitious one and the vision isn’t fully realised but it looks beautiful — and the main actress Jessica Chastain is absolutely stunning — in her acting skills and looks — I liked her a lot…
I also like Peter Blake — I’ve seen him around Tate Gallery on occasion and had a word — He’s a good chap.
I see Camberwell’s Justin Webb was the scab working on the Today Programme this morning — pooor show
Talking of scabs, I’ve been contemplating Rupert Murdoch’s blight on the UK landscape. I’ve always found it difficult to forget about Rupert Murdoch because whenever I see a satellite dish I find myself cursing his name:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/markdodds/5939825054/in/photostream/lightbox/
TWATS the lot of them.
Did you hear the presenter on the Today programme soon before 9am call Lord Oakeshott “Lord Oakshit”? Off with her scabby head!
Oakshite is great for conditioning flower beds once it’s rotted down a bit.
Comber Grove school Summer Carnival today — fantastic parade around the area with every child dressed up, most of them playing some horn of item of percussion. Loads of parents literally FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. It was brilliant! Then Jerk Chicken from the barbecue alongside the best face painting this side of Brixton and that side of Peckham innit.
By the way, Mike Kent, the very long standing Head at Comber Grove and man of much talent is retiring and a new, very special, head needs to be found to replace him… Comber Grove is a great school getting great results and it has loads of potential to do even more, put the word about in your local education networks.
Of course I should be at GX Gallery or the Crooked Well or the Cambria but instead I’m at my own gaff enjoying a flash of British summer in the garden.
Mark, Mark, Mark so are you telling us that the S&D didn’t have TV’s with sport.…Oh yes fitted by news corp…to attract more drinkers?
@ Chunters, never had sky in the S&D, always been terrestrial
Great atmosphere last night at the Crooked Well. Good food too. Fingers crossed it stays busy!
Sorry. Take it all back.
To be FRANK about Sky and Newscorp, I’ve never broadcast it before particularly but I decided when Murdoch bought the Times — whenever that was, I was quite young — that I’d not have anything to do with anything he or his companies touched — ever. This was because, as far as I could see at the time and ever since, everything that man’s ever got his hands on has driven steadily towards the most common denominator, all in the name of market forces providing increased consumer choice (ever MORE shite accessible to ever more people at ever greater cost) and his own companies’ and family’s profitability.
We’ve let his business practices ruin our visual landscape and remove public access to major sporting events from millions of people. Newscorps rise has been a barometer of very distasteful times. The practices of pubcos and banks match this march of lucrative mediocrity where everything is done because profitable outcomes on their own have come to be justification enough for whatever dodgy steps, blind eye turning and people stamping on that have to be taken along the way.
So I never bought into paying £15,000 a year to show Sky sports at the Sun and Doves which, paradoxically would have changed the nature of the business we are anyway into being a sports pub instead of a community pub… IF Murdoch had never been allowed to privatise sport then there never would have been such tensions about the roles that pubs perform anyway.
My refusal to spend hard earned cash on that man’s tripe is another reason why the pubco think I have no idea how to run a business but have never understood how come I made a DEAD BOOZER into a busy local again. TWATS all of them.
@J Mark Dodds
Well said — That about sums it up really…
Funny. Same rationale and similar rant that opponents have re: free schools. Hmm
If there shall be free schools, why not free beer also? The old bowling green in Ruskin Parks looks awesome at the moment with its big wildflowers of these dog days. The old roller snoozes contentedly amongst them, like Ferdinand the Bull.
@David. That’s not a rant but a description of what’s been happening for a long time, all of which was predictable at the outset of privatisation of the airwaves.
The most vociferous opponents of free schools tend to be bunkered in defending a system which is manifestly failing vast numbers of young people and the analogies with these schools being further privatisation by the back door are criticisms are just horses that bolted a long time ago.
The education system has suffered decades of half baked radical reform, one generation of politicians after another have comprehensively failed to get to grips with the whole leaving a system that serves society woefully badly.
Revolutionary reform is needed in education. Currently it does not serve the growth of civil society and it’s failing vast numbers of children. The Free School movement is just another phase in a long history of imperfect progress.
Extremely dull today. Did anyone see Horace Andy at the Lambeth Country Show? Someone at work was booking Alabama 3 at the Forum in December.
The real prism of beauteous colour round here at the moment is the Paul Etienne Lincoln exhibition upstairs at the South London Gallery. Part of it is a superb plan for the back garden there, with pansies growing to look just like the Camberwell Beauty.
Yes! Gay, I thought you’d be interested! Pansy comes from the French word for a “thought”, pensee. So you were on the right track, lad, all the time, did you but know it. Born this way? Porn this way! I’d say!
Ahem.
Anyway, before I slither slavvering into blather, the artist Lincoln goes into exquisite intricate detail about how pansies can be grown in different colours, like this:
chlorophylls = green
carotenoids = yellows, oranges and reds
anthocyans = red purple and blue
So it would be possible to fill the SLG back garden with Camberwell-Beauty-like pansies, which are nicknamed after “thoughts” or “thoughtful ones” because they look like faces.
His other work there is just as mental.
Have a look, it’s mind-boggling!
An unofficial (or so it seems) but welcoming evening to the as yettobefullydecidelynamed new Funky Monkey; 24 beers on tap including imports of some limited lovely US beers…toilets and sounds clearly still on the todo list…but very much looking forward to the official opening in 2–3 weeks time. All the best Morag!
@EastieinExile They need to pull their socks up. Sharpish.
There was about fifteen people in there — it’s not finished, they still have a lot to do and the staff were behaving like it was a rehearsal — the woman serving didn’t know the beers or the wines.
My companion and I went out for a fag, leaving our drinks on one of the large black shiny plastic ex Funky Munky poseur tables. They’d been taken and chucked when we came back in.
Useless start.
Morag’s name is Maura.
That’s a bit unsporting Mark. It was a test opening just to see how everything worked and an invite to regulars at the hermit, which was much appreciated.
I am sure that on the first night sun and doves opened for any kind of custom there were mistakes too and even now they sometimes happen. And i am sure that having your drinks taken when going out for a fag happens in many places.
I for one am very excited by the prospect of a second free house in Camberwell.
And well done to them for recycling the tables rather than chucking them…but if they get rid of the Never Give Up sign I will never forgive them.
Unsporting? That was more than fair. Don’t get me going Tom.
Here’s a picture for information
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=trappist+beer+serving&um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=np&biw=1276&bih=670&tbm=isch&tbnid=9nMVvt-DpvabuM:&imgrefurl=http://beerdistro.com/catalog/index.php%253FcPath%253D2_3%2526main_page%253Dindex&docid=Y2UdDj8ai67L3M&w=201&h=360&ei=iPFPTvb_KZG4hAeKganoBg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=266&page=3&tbnh=153&tbnw=85&start=35&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:35&tx=58&ty=57
New Monkey will be hard to leave. Good concept, done well. Well done.
Now call me old and out of the local hip hop scene, apart from Heavy D and the Boyz gizmo stuff but I am delighted with the arrival of some where else to call my local. My goodness they actually play the blues, god bless them.
I have just returned from the unnamed bar which has given me much copius amounts of bourbon I cannot tell you.
So Marks comments are a bit out of kilter as I saw him in there at around 7 PM today. This said why on earth would you return to somewhere that you didn’t like the night before?
MOIRA AND HER LOT DID GOOD!!!
And the tables are not plastic!!!
Good chunt.
@Monkeycat
The “Never Give Up” sign reminds me of many works by the artist Bob and Roberta Smith.
Who has work on show at Tate…
(yes, it’s one person)
Huh? WHY? Oh I don’t know..
Because I took friends there — to see what they thought maybe? Because I’m forgiving? Because I want to give a place a break? Because I want to spend some money around Camberwell? Because I want to see whether they’re getting it better than they did the first time? Because it’s my profession?
I believe Maura is called Maura. If I’m wrong somebody please correct me.
NEVER GIVE UP was painted by Jes Rands. He works sometimes at Camberwell Arts College on the bar — and in printmaking department. He’s available for commissions.
Who’s got the telephone number for Paul’s Continental. Can’t remember the lady’s name — Aggi? Can you give it to me please? I lost it in the blackberry cloud.
Sour grapes then.… and how you spell her name is irralevent
Moire.
irrelevant
@Chunters: What are you on about? Sour grapes about — what? Maura once told me: “It’s Laura with an ‘M’”. Perhaps I’m being too literal, maybe it’s Moire as in ‘Loire’ with an ‘M’.
What IS relevant John? Which number have you got?
Went to Craft Beer Co on Hatton Wall today. Been open eight weeks. http://bit.ly/n8sDRk They really know a thing or two…
Will be going to that place again of course.
ARRGH! Does Mark Dodds EVER stop!?!?!
For months Camberwell online has endured tales of how hard it is to be part of a pub-co these days.
An existing member of the Camberwell pub community has stuck their neck (and wallet) on the line and taken the brave move to open a freehouse in addition to their pub-co bar.
This should be celebrated, encouraged and supported.
SOUR GRAPES means to act meanly after a disappointment…sounds about right to me.
The biggest problem is Camberwell is now blessed with too many quality bars to choose from! I have yet to visit the Crooked Well but will do as soon as I have an excuse for a special dinner.(Apologies Hector & co!)
Yet despite it all, my heart will always lie with the Hermits Cave and will be sure to continue with its little as yet un-named sister across the street.
See you at the bar!
No… I don’t STOP.
Get out of your houses and get into the Crooked Well AND the as yet unnamed Funky Hermit Never Give Up and stop giving me a hard time for actually DOING stuff. Stop being romantic and DO STUFF.
And someone please pass that phone number on if they have it.
@sk: seriously if you want to be bothered with reality rather than banality, come and find out about what really goes on in the pubco world. Why not do some research before you tell me to get off my high horse? Go and ask Maura and Brendan at the Hermit’s, ask Marco at Recreation Ground, take time to be bothered to go and meet Hector and Matt at the Crooked Well. Go to the Cambria and speak to Steve… ask them about the tie and what it means to their businesses. And THEN come back and repeat your complaint.
Back to the Hermit’s ‘little sister’ WHAT the hell are you on about? It’s a business. It is NOT a ‘little sister’.
I am, of course, ever YOURS. Get in touch instead of being anonymous. I’ll buy you dinner — at a place of your choice — if you’re really interested to hear what really is going on in your neighbourhood instead of making half baked assumptions.
What have you got to lose? 2 hours? email is: mark@sunanddoves.co.uk
It’s unsettling watching someone fall apart.
Agreed. You’ll get a lot of empathy making statements like that John.
I will tolerate NO personal abuse on this site.