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Sun, No Doves

Written by | Filed under Eating & Drinking

What a difference some sunshine makes. But this early unseasonal weather is tinged with sadness, as we’re reminded that the best summer sun destination, the garden at the Sun & Doves, won’t be available to us this year (barring incredible effort from a brewery pubco that doesn’t seem to give much of a fig at the moment). So where is the sun-seeking al fresco booze-hound to go in Camberwell in 2012?

The obvious destination would be The Fox On The Hill, with it’s big lawn, prominent position, and wonderful views. The drawback (in this author’s humble opinion) is that it’s a Wetherspoon pub, although it does seem to have a good selection of beers. Also, last time I went there we felt threatened by a bunch of leery lads who I suspect to have been on a pharmaceutical more powerful than alcohol.

The Tiger has their little passage, which doesn’t seem to catch much light, but at The Recreation Ground and The Bear it’s standing room only. The Cambria has a yard which is pleasant to sit in but also doesn’t allow for much sunlight to enter. Stormbird has a few tables outside which get sun in the afternoon, and pavement overspill outside the Hermits is popular with students when the weather is fine.

Many destinations have only a brief moment in the sun; The former Grove (the name of which escapes me) Grand Union is OK in the morning and mid afternoon, and The Crooked Well fares a little better. The George Canning doesn’t do too badly later in the afternoon, but the best spot for drinks at the dying of the light is The Phoenix.

This post was hastily thrown together and overwritten, so please feel free to correct me in the comments.

March 28th, 2012

107 Responses to “Sun, No Doves”

  1. Luschka says:

    We’ve moved out of the area now, so a little out the loop. What’s happened to the sun and doves then?

  2. Dagmar says:

    The tenant landlord fell out with the pub company — not the brewery, Peter — then the pub company wanted to take the tenant to court. It’s all now in limbo, who is liable for what. It is — like it — a mess.

    The days when breweries had tied pubs have pretty much gone. I remember in the Bristol area, for instance, Courage owned everything, they had a monopoly. But their beer was good, Bitter, Best Bitter and Bonkers (was it, I can’t remember), all well-hopped proper British beers.

    The brewers were bought by big, international brewing companies who can manufacture cheap drink but not nice beer.

  3. Nick says:

    Slightly further afield, perhaps, but how about the newly named ‘The Kennington’ (previously the Black Sheep) on Camberwell New Road? Quite a few outside seats, albeit on the road, and positioned to catch the last few hours of sun after work.

  4. Daniel says:

    Though it’s not in the most scenic of locations, the handful of outdoor tables at The Stormbird (formerly Funky Munky) seem to also get lots of sun in the afternoon. And the Grand Union has a nice outdoors bit, albeit not as sunny.

    Camberwell’s crying out for a good beer garden though…

  5. florian says:

    The Rye Hotel on Peckham Rye should be worth a look when re-opened. It has a very large garden. And smoking a fag outside the Cadleigh beer perched on the sill is another option.

  6. Peter says:

    Oh yeah, I forgot Stormbird and The Hermits. I’ll update the post. And thanks, Daniel, for reminding me that the Grove is now called the Grand Union. And thank you, Dagmar, for pointing out my error about brewery/pubco. As you can probably tell, I wrote the post in a hurry.

    @florian Are you a Cadeleigh regular? I’m always in there when Arsenal are on TV.

  7. Jonny says:

    Again, a little further afield but not much, the Montpelier has a few tables outside — and for those who like the Victoria, that really catches the sun and there’s plenty of life passing by to watch…

  8. florian says:

    Peter

    I have the occasional scoop in the Cadleigh, with football or rugby as the draw. Like you, the Doves was my boozer of choice in this weather.

  9. Norman Maine says:

    The tables outside the Prince of Wales pub on the corner of Myatt’s Fields get the sun. Nice to have a pint there after tennis.

  10. J Mark Dodds says:

    Quick update regarding The Sun and Doves.

    I’m the guy who took on the tied lease in 1995 and subsequently described as the landlord in a post by Dagmar.

    When my rent went up 68% in 2000 and I owed Scottish & Newcastle £22,000 back rent immediately, the impact nearly bankrupted the business and me. So I vowed not to be beaten without a proper fight by the Rachmanesque Landlord, Scottish & Newcastle Pub Company the next time I faced a rent review.

    I prepared well for the 2005 rent review, where they wanted to increase it from £54K to £82.5K. I dug my heels in and consequently it went to Arbitration, and then High Court, and then back to Arbitration, then to Appeal and back to the Arbitrator. That point took over three years to reach, October 2008, when the arbitrator decided to ‘GO’ with the pub company and posed me with a back rent bill of £125+K immediately owing.

    So, then I told S&NPC that I could not pay the bill — as I had predicted all along — and they should evict me. They simply ignored this and I started paying the increased rent — £1,650 a week — and business began to suffer immediately but S&N didnt’ take action — probably because they were getting the increased rent plus three or so grand a week out of me for beer orders.

    Eventually I started buying out of tie and not paying rent — I had no option — it was the only way I could pay my other suppliers, robbing S&N to pay Paul Peter Mary and Susan. All my other suppliers were paid up to date until I was kicked out.

    Eventually S&NPC evicted me on 23 September 2011 which made me homeless. Subsequently on 24 October 2011 HMRC bankrupted me which made me relieved.

    S&NPC told me they had a ‘small multiple operator’ very interested in taking on the pub.

    Before I was evicted S&N prevaricated about paying for the fixtures and fittings in the pub, such as the bar, the kitchen equipment, the fixed seating and lamp shades etc, which were owned by a lease hire company to whom I paid rent. The leasing company did not trust S&NPC to pay them and, since S&NPC had an eviction order for a fixed date at which point I would be ejected and locked out — the company regarded it essential to secure its assets — and the pub was stripped of all trade effects and fixtures and fittings.

    Consequently S&NPC could not pass the pub on to the ‘small multiple operator’ without spending, conservatively, £300K on bringing it up to code, and they boarded it up and installed 24/24 residential security who, like S&NPC seemed unable to organise a pissup in a brewery.

    Consequently now the pub is being squatted.

    The rumour is that Antic (Tiger; EDT etc) is now talking to S&N about buying the freehold.

    The garden at The Sun and Doves is SSE facing and the forecourt gets sun until quite late in the evening at this time of year.

  11. Claire says:

    Such a shame this happened, Mark. I live over the road and always enjoyed the friendliness of your staff. I miss the place now.

    I heard you talk about what you went through on Radio 4 and wanted to wish you all the best for the future.

  12. Monkeycat says:

    Nowt to do with Camberwell, or its lack of a decent beer garden, but the Pop Up Choir have a gig (for free) at Brixton Village Market tomorrow night (Friday 30th). Starts at 8pm.

    I know this is a shameless plug, but we are quite good!

    https://www.facebook.com/events/167067466747920/

  13. Dagmar says:

    Have a look at this link — stick with it, there is a nice surprise at the end!

    This week, the Class 67 “Royal Diamond” drew this special train, with its elements of glamour from a bygone era, through the parish towards the coast, strangely just as one of the mysterious “yellow trains” trundled Londonwards.

    The yellow trains have yellow carriages with the windows painted over with trompe l’oeil scenes of passengers in 1970s dress eating Kit-Kats and drinking Nescafe.

    There are strange trains of thought, of dream that take wing, of miasma that turns into plasma, of phantasmagoria heading out of Victoria, that make Camberwell such a special place to be.

    Watch, look, ingest and but yet dream…

  14. J Mark Dodds says:

    THIRTEEN carriages and then!

  15. J Mark Dodds says:

    When it comes to embedding. I’m a novice.

  16. Dagmar says:

    When it comes to bedding, I’m an invoice, hun. x

  17. Dagmar says:

    Yeah, er, Charlotte came through Camberwell today. This Class 73 was one of 49 built in the 1960s at Newton-le-Willows in Merseyside and was recently named after a member of staff of its latest owner, GBRf.

    The narrow body of the 73s made them ideal for the narrow tunnels of the Hastings line.

    What is incredibly mysterious, though, is this — can anyone work it out?

    http://www.southernelectric.org.uk/tocnews/73141news.html

  18. Chunters says:

    Well having listened to the debate, or should I say brawl on LBC this morning, we find that Ken managed in an hour to lie 12 times…

    http://www.notkenagain.com/home/2012/4/3/ken-livingstone-lied-12-times-during-the-lbc-debate-today.html

    …in an hour!!!

  19. Monkeycat says:

    @Chunters. What does the notborisagain.com website say about Boris. How many lies and truths did Boris say?

    P.S. I assume I just made up the NotBorisagain website. Would be good to have one though, in the interest of balance. Does this mean we would also need a notBrianPaddickever.com to cover all the bases?

  20. Chunters says:

    Monkeycat it’s up to you to go find these sites and search out facts as I did. Put them on here and we’ll all know. All I’m doing is trying to show Ken up for the crook he really is. If you want to show Boris up for any misdemeanors by all means do so.

  21. Peter says:

    Lovers of transparency and balance in politics would probably like http://www.boriswatch.co.uk

  22. Chunters says:

    Thank you Peter. That’s exactly what I was looking for. And then I’ll be accused of not finding it myself?

  23. Chunters says:

    Florence Welch, originally from Camberwell is at the Royal Albert Hall tonight.

    She da woman.

  24. Dagmar says:

    She’s all over the new Stylist, as well, looking excellently herself. Camberwell has not been so proud since Jenny Agutter was last on “Call the Midwife”.

  25. eusebiovic says:

    I suppose somebody should set up a

    http://www.voteforjennythegreenforchristssakewhathaveyougottoloseyoublinkeredlumpenpredictableserf.com

    That would return the smile to my face!

  26. Alan dale says:

    I am going to vote for Siobhan Benita in the mayorals. Anyone else feeling the same way?

  27. Dagmar says:

    She comes across as being an incredibly wise choice. She is a civil servant who would take the advice of people who really know.

    She is more creditable than George Galloway, who will also stand, presumably, closer to the time. A friend of mine with an enormous cranium, spectacles and a first in politics and philosophy said he would vote for Galloway rather than Boris or Ken, because Galloway stands for what he calls “ordinary people”. Galloway, ordinary!

    Siobhan Benita is half Cornish and is certainly the sort, in the words of the anthem, who would wish to “know the reason why”.

  28. Alan dale says:

    But you will still vote Labour.

    Gorgeous George was great on Newsnight last night.

    He has achieved a kind of goal congruence between his own narcissism and good causes.

    I prefer to judge him on his behaviour rather than motivations. He has provided the disenfranchised majority of Bradford West a voice in the commons. Great job George.

  29. Dagmar says:

    Will he fill the hole?

  30. Florian says:

    Hitchens described Galloway as a ‘Ponce for fascism’ and I think his behaviour amply supports this.

  31. Monkeycat says:

    @Chunters: Sorry I was being a bit facetious, but in the event, seems that there is an anyone but Ken equivalent.

    My slightly wishful thinking is that before you can vote you have to pass a test proving you have read and understood all the candidates’ manifestos.

    The first question would be:

    a: would you vote for a man with red hair.

    Anyone who answers no is banned from voting for life!

  32. J Mark Dodds says:

    I WOULD have voted for Neil Kinnock.

    George Galloway has always made me GAG. Ugh! Repellent. His behaviour makes me want to puke too. Does anyone else remember him being interviewed in his bolthole place in Portugal among all the ex pats after some kerfuffle or other happened over here and he apparently went to ground

  33. eusebiovic says:

    Vote Jenny

    That is all

    I drink my tea

  34. Chunters says:

    Unfortunatly Eusebiovic Jenny lost the election the moment sha said she would put up the congestion charge to £15. Job done.

  35. eusebiovic says:

    @chunters

    It’s not really a competitive election — so Jenny can’t lose.

    It’s a bit like speculating who will win the football —

    Celtic or Rangers?
    Barcelona or Real Madrid?

    a done deal — nobody else gets a look in.

  36. J Mark Dodds says:

    I’ll vote for Jenny but that will not get her into position.

    Just spent the afternoon at a Point to Point FULL of Landed Gentry people one never normally gets to meet. Ugh. Quite the other end from George Galloway. Ugh.

    HUGE article in the Guardian today about the weak position of pubs against supermarkets taking them over as Locals. There is a deep and very English irony there.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2012/apr/06/supermarkets-pubs-takeover

    Antic have taken a lease on The Sun and Doves. Or so a birdy tells me.

  37. Rosey says:

    So depressing, did anyone see the graffiti on the front of the brand new eco-friendly Skanska building on Coldharbour Lane? This is why we can’t have nice things.…

  38. J Mark Dodds says:

    Rosey did you get a picture?

    There’s something afoot at Whiteminster, or is it Westhall, dunno, anyway, the seat of International DeMocKracy; the Mutha of Parliamints, when the Chancellor, the Rt Hon George Osborne, for that is his title, when dis man figures out dat his mates don’t pay tax. Well sumfink’s going down sistas and brethren. An epiphany he had, a revelation, an eye opening a penny dropping a chink into the dark a light at the end of his tunnel.

    THE TOFFS DON’T PAY TAX?

    I wonder if Georgey Boy has been wondering why HE’S been paying tax when all his mated from the Old Boys’ Network shirk their duty in favour of spending their money on hunting shooting and fishing in Peru. And on horses and hounds that have nowhere to go until the Toff Class have a revolution and stuff all the peasants like us and the jumped up nouveau rich-list into stocks and pelt us with potatoes and toms.

    Something’s afoot that’s for sure.

  39. James J says:

    Pictures of the new Burgess Park playground for over-5s.

    http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151480667560005.830661.167442850004&type=1

    I think it looks great and it’s been very popular since it opened.

  40. J Mark Dodds says:

    Thank you James J for that topical link to which George Osborne should be directed as he’ll no doubt be right at home in a playground for over-5s — on home territory so to speak.

    Do they do jam roly poly in the cafe?

  41. Monkeycat says:

    For those that have never been, The Camberwell Old Cemetery is amazing. It’s just the other side of Peckham Rye. Went yesterday. Some of the gravestone dedications are beautiful. I kind of like the fact that the trees are taking over.

    There are also a lot of memorials to soldiers that died in WW1, including a very sad memorial to a boy aged 20 who died days before the end of the war, There is also a newly installed gravestone to William Stanlake VC and DCM which seems strange considering he died in 1904. Not sure who cleared the area or had the new gravestone made. I found some info about him here: http://www.shinycapstar.com/stanlake.htm

    Some photos here, but going back very soon to do some more.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeycat/sets/72157629430788746/show/

  42. James J says:

    Getting back to pubs, though not in the sunshine, who knew that old north Camberwell pub the Flying Dutchman had reopened as an arts, kink and fetish venue?

    http://www.flyingdutchmanlondon.com

    They don’t make it very obvious from the outside; I’d assumed it was still shut. The kids have their playground in Burgess Park. The adults do need somewhere to play too, but I wonder what the Baptists next door think.

  43. J Mark Dodds says:

    Well James. At least something positive is happening there instead of the usual …

    Perhaps the church will see that the new venue offers a wide range of activities they could adopt in order to expand their own area of influence.

  44. Chunters says:

    This is a poll. What would you do with £75,000?

    http://www.cityam.com/latest-news/livingstone-s-tax-savings-2011-estimated-75k

    Now what would you do? No politics here just what would you do with an unexpected wind fall?

  45. Matt says:

    This morning, by Camberwell Green, I saw a chap calmly standing in the middle of the pavement wearing pyjamas and with a brown paper bag on his head. You know that you have properly settled in Camberwell when this sort of thing seems perfectly normal.

  46. Gnomee says:

    Chunters Try this poll on what you would do with £250,000 windfall earned whilst moonlighting.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2125913/Boris-Johnson-tax-row-I-earned-1-7m-4-years.html

  47. Chunters says:

    Gnomee, the £250,000 made by Boris was earned and then turned into £125,000 as tax was paid on it at 50%, or there abouts.

    The windfall of £75,000 was gained by cheating HMRC, which means you and me, nurses, doctors, in fact anybody in the public sector and of course you and me.

  48. Chunters says:

    Matt said “This morning, by Camberwell Green, I saw a chap calmly standing in the middle of the pavement wearing pyjamas and with a brown paper bag on his head. You know that you have properly settled in Camberwell when this sort of thing seems perfectly normal.”

    Blast it! You saw me.

  49. Peter says:

    LOL @ Chunters’ “no politics here”.

  50. Chunters says:

    Peter, facts dear boy, no politics.

  51. Dagmar says:

    Good luck to Dulwich Hamlet tomorrow in their top-of-the-table clash against Whitehawk. The Hamlet are top of the Division — if they win this they will almost certainly be champions. 3pm kick-off. It will be a tight and well-supported game. The football is immediate, right in front of you, the players are fit and fast. It will be a great occasion, quite unlike a trip to Sainsbury’s next door.

  52. eusebiovic says:

    @Dagmar

    Indeed, Dulwich Hamlet are actually Camberwell’s very own village team…

    A win tomorrow and it’s almost certain

    Dulwich Hamlet 83pts
    Bognor Regis Town 81pts
    Shitehawk 81pts

    Everybody Welcome as always ;-)

  53. Florian says:

    Game of the season. Cmon the Hamlet.

  54. Mushtimushta says:

    Saw a really distressing piece on BBC London’s News last night by Kurt Barling on the story of 3 of the lads that were responsible for the ride-by shooting of that little girl in the newsagents in Stockwell. It appears that 1 of them had been on the radar of Lambeth’s Social Services Team, but that the radar was turned off when he reached majority.
    Barling interviewed a group of former and present gang members from the area, one of whom said that if Lambeth-funded trips to Thorpe Park & the like were being cut by austerity measures, what did we expect!

  55. Dagmar says:

    Yes, well, that’s life with the community.

    Eusebiomate, why is the Hamlet site so pathetic? They want to be good, but can you read you what they do? No! Did they win today? Dunno. Who, therefore, gives a FUCK?

  56. J Mark Dodds says:

    Dagmar? Hmmm … are you alright? Dagmar?

    Read this afternoon’s match preview: http://bit.ly/IkCEsd

  57. Florian says:

    They lost 2–0 against a very good Whitehawk side. Whitehawk are the Man City of the Ryman South. Lots of cash, lots of ex pros in the side. Play offs beckon.

  58. eusebiovic says:

    @Dagmar

    Had too much of the falling down water?

    Football is a pastime…sure everyone wants to win and I enjoy it when my favourite teams do…but it’s just a pastime, a drink, a snack, a laugh. A small example of what folk do to help get through this.

    There are far too many people who have lost sight of that…

    Who needs a Peckham Town FC?

    Dulwich Hamlet is the team of Camberwell,Dulwich,Peckham & Nunhead!

    Whytehawk FC have a millionaire backer but like all things boom and bust won’t stand the test of time.

    The Hamlet have been going since 1893

    I wish they had turned professional back in the day but they chose to remain amateur — Today, just their colours alone would be a premiership marketing monkey’s dream.

    I like that ;-)

  59. Dagmar says:

    You are bang on, Eus. Had a day chez Millwall then was peeved that I couldn’t go to the Hamlet site as first port of call for the result.

    Still, up the Hamlet. May they go up. And up.

    Talking of premier marketing monkeys, saw the Damien Hirst Show at our local national modern art gallery today. Darned good. The way he plays the art market is an artwork in itself. The Daily Mail ran a feature recently on how to make your own Hirst using stickers from IKEA — he’s got them on the run, too, brilliant.

  60. J Mark Dodds says:

    This just came in from Tom at Rat Records at Camberwell Green end of Camberwell New Road:

    Today Rat Records, one of London’s leading independent record shops, announces its exclusive lineup of musical guests for Record Store Day on April 21st. . DJ Andy Smith of Portishead fame, Strictly Kev — Better known as DJ Food, and award winning harpist Serafina Steer are all performing intimate gigs in the store.

    Performance times are as follows:

    Strictly Kev (DJ Food) from 12pm

    Serafina Steer and DJ Andy Smith from 2pm

    While other London based record stores are taking part and using the release of new records and products tied to Record Store Day, Rat is celebrating via performances from long time friends of the shop and by offering Londoners a chance to browse and buy from one of nation’s greatest private collections of eclectic records.

    Internationally renowned record dealer and collector, Tom Fisher, founded Rat Records in 1989. Tom is marking the occasion by bringing in a load of his rarely seen personal favourites for sale on the day. Rat’s Manager, the veteran DJ and club promoter Philippe Giron, will be offering a generous selection of extremely limited edition recent releases from cult artists including Burial and The Caretaker. All the stock for sale will be refreshed too, so even the many longtime customers who visit the shop several times a week are in for many surprises.

    Rat Records is one of the best kept secrets of the music world. Aggressively low prices and high turnover of top quality vinyl and CDs mean that Rat’s customers, who range from top name musicians and international DJs, to collectors, music fans and a fair few other shops visiting on the sly, always know its worth stopping by.

    Tom Fisher, owner and founder of Rat Records, said “We’re thrilled and honoured to have been invited to take part in Record Store Day and to have such amazing artists appear to celebrate it with us. With so many independent stores under threat, and fewer and fewer places to listen to, learn about, and buy music on the High Street, it’s vital that we all use and appreciate what centres of sonic excellence remain.”

    “While a lot of big name central London shops are bringing in special stock or having a musician or two drop round, we’re going one better by opening our precious private collections up too.”

    For more information, photography or an interview, please call Tom Fisher on +44 (0) 7795 42 45 75 or email ratrecords @ btconnect . com

  61. St Giles says:

    Had to start using Denmark Hill station again this week after a break of about 3 years.

    When on earth did they start making people walk to the ticket office to swipe their oysters (that’s no a euphemism) then walk back out, down the side and totter over some dodgy scaffolding to get to the platform? Seems pretty ridiculous. Does anyone know how long that’s going to last?

  62. Peter says:

    @St Giles: Until the new ticket office opens, in Summer sometime. Yep, it’s annoying.

    Pro tip: if you go in and out of Denmark Hill each day, you don’t need to swipe out in the evening. If you use PAYG extra money will be deducted if you fail to swipe out, but will be refunded next time you charge your card.

    That’s the theory, anyway; I’m slightly distrustful so I always swipe out.

  63. Monkeycat says:

    Evening all,

    I have a bit of a favour to ask.

    I am doing a project, for the Camberwell Arts festival in June. It’s about the places I go to and the shops, bars and restaurants I love in Camberwell, and about the people that work there.

    I’ve done a few test shots, and shooting starts properly next week. What I would really appreciate is help on whether to do these in black and white, or in colour.

    If you could let me know your preference, that would really help. You can let me know by Twitter, Flickr, or email me at info @ tomleighton.co.uk.

    You can see the photos here:

    http://bit.ly/J3mQig

    or on Flickr here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeycat/sets/72157629846915973/

  64. Gabe says:

    Colour — no question. Two terrific photos, by the way.

  65. James J says:

    Yes, definitely in colour. Consumption is all about the sensory experience and the colour captures this best.

    I love Oliver Stone’s portrayal of a first visit to a supermarket filmed in saturated colours.

  66. James J says:

    That video wasn’t supposed to be embedded. I just pasted a link that would have started the video at 9 minutes and 28 seconds.

  67. Chunters says:

    Monkeycat could you use both and date the coloured pics as 2012 and the black and white as 1912?

    Just a thought.

  68. Monkeycat says:

    Thanks to one and all for the great response. Definitely colour is the way forward, which was what I was thinking too.

    I have a bit more of an explanation here about what this is all about: http://bit.ly/J3mQig

    Rather excited about it really.

  69. joe_damage says:

    @Monkeycat Colour for sure, looks like an interesting project and the test shots are great.

    Whilst we’re on the subject of local businesses I had a pizza from the new menu at the Joiners Arms last night, wasn’t expecting much but it was really rather good, nice thin crust and good ingredients.

  70. Dagmar says:

    Camberwell has gone from being gritty and grainy to colourful. Colourful Camberwell, that’s it!

  71. sloth says:

    Monkeycat, great photos! I like colour too. And will be looking forward to seeing the whole project.

  72. Dagmar says:

    That’s great, Monkeycat. Imagine spending all that money to find yourself in Brixton in the rain.“This is not Venice!”

    You don’t think this was a sort of Robin Hood robbery hold-up, do you? Much rattling of jewellery — and that’s just the crew. Not of the train!

    Robert Browning birth bicentenary on 7 May, the Pied Piper of Camberwell. Shall we mark the occasion?

  73. Steve K says:

    Finally after 6 months, The Stormbird has a sign, a twiiter account @stormbirdse5 and a website http://www.thestormbirdpub.co.uk … and more importantly Innis and Gun on draft!

  74. J Mark Dodds says:

    Stormbird website doesn’t have a price list.

    Anyone know how much a pint is?

  75. Monkeycat says:

    Rat Records was heaving when I went in. Serafina Steer on the harp was amazing.

    A few wee photos here.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/monkeycat/sets/72157629503276268/

  76. Dagmar says:

    Here he was, the great man himself, whose name crosses Camberwell large on trucks and trains every day.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/22/maersk-mckinney-moller-obituary

  77. Dagmar says:

    That Rod Doyle is an interesting photographer. Does he go to the Hermits?

  78. Gabe says:

    +1 for saving bees

    I know from activist friends that targetting fund managers and investors with sensible arguments can be effective in helping to change what coporations do.

  79. Alan Dale says:

    That cafe at the South London Gallery is pretty upmarket. Full spanglish breakfast there this morning… excellent stuff.

  80. Dagmar says:

    It’s a quality place to hang out, Al. Talk about an ace caff with quite a nice museum attached.

    That spanglish — the black pudding in it is made from bull’s blood. Your posts will get even pokier and more to the point. Not just your posts, dear boy! Watch what happens!

    We need positives on this website at the moment. It’s sad about the bees, obviously, but disaster comes in fresh every day. There was a brilliant line in a new poem today by Dannie Abse in the Guardian:

    “The recurring decimal of calamity.”

    The poem is worth digging out — they don’t write ‘em like that any more, but Dannie Abse does and he’s nearly 90. It’s here:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2012/apr/27/sixty-years-in-poems

    We have calamities in Camberwell — the World War Two bombing, Gabe’s spelling (targetting; coporations — though the latter is brilliant, really, Gabe — copros = Greek for crap, shit. Keep it up, Gabe! Coporations — genius!

    But the best thing we can do is keep our end up.

    The chap who runs the caff always gives Lyndhurst Primary a fat free dinner voucher as a prize in their summer raffles. The mums love him.

  81. Chunters says:

    It’s a bit difficult keeping ones end up what with all this rain about Dagmar.

    It’s the wrong kind of rain according to Thames Water, I thought H2O was all the same.

    Yacht racing up and down Church Street this afternoon I’m given to believe. With luck they may run aground outside Stormbird, what an appropriate name for these unclement times.

  82. Jes says:

    Inclement, surely.

  83. J Mark Dodds says:

    Uncle-meant times are-a-changin’.

    Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall is a great influencer.

    One of my sons asked me “how can this be more hydrating than water dad?’ He was reading the label on some bottle of drink called hyper-ade or something like that.

    ‘More Hydrating Than Water’ he said, as it was pissing down outside. But the rain made us stay indoors and we went to Peckham Plex for Marvel’s Avengers came home and watched PAUL another equally brilliant sci-fi jaunt.

    Great weekend.

  84. Gabe says:

    We went to the new playground in Burgess Park yesterday. The kids had a great time. I had a look over the fence at what they’ve done to the rest of the park. You can see how it is coming together and, from afar, the landscaping looks really good.

    ^ I have double-checked this post for spelling. Style and grammar are, no doubt, still iffy. But the spelling should be spot-on.

  85. Chunters says:

    Well done Gabe.

    People who worry about ones spelling clearly have nothing better to do and hence should get out more.

  86. Gabe says:

    Tru dat.

    On the other hand, Chuntners, why be such a prick?

  87. Chunters says:

    The thing is Gabe I manage to get my point across without using bad language and put downs.

  88. Gabe says:

    You’re a wind-up merchant, that much I know.

  89. Monkeycat says:

    Oi! It’s a lovely day.

    Calm down, calm down!

  90. J Mark Dodds says:

    Excellent.

    Yes. I cycled today.

    Have I introduced you to Tumblr yet?

  91. J Mark Dodds says:

    Then he said: ‘That’s silly. Nothing can be more hydrating than water. Water IS hydrating’.

    There’s Floods Out THar.

    Praise the LORD!

  92. Dagmar says:

    Went out today, didn’t like it much, so went home and picked out spelling mistakes on the web using a pair of tweezers. Cackled with laughter, popped the mistakes in an old jam jar, put them with the rest in the cellar, chuckling and wheezing down the steps.

    Met daughter from school later — she picked a big bunch of unbelievably sunny dandelions in the grass by the railway line. Realised it was May Day.

    The Japanese knotweed has sprung up by the railway again. It has many medicinal uses and has replaced red grape skins and wine by-products as a commercial source of resveratrol, the natural superdrug.

    Why can’t this invasive pest be picked by the unemployed and made into wine or some such? In Japan it is picked as a forage vegetable for cooking, too.

    There is a Japanese psyllid (jumping plant lice) that preys on the plant, which may be introduced here to control the weed, which would be the first ever deliberate insect import in the UK. But like the triffidy plants themselves, the voracious psyllid may start eating the houses and whole streets. We may find that they have even bit the babies in the cradles
    And ate the cheeses out of the vats,
    And licked the soup from the cooks’ own ladles,
    Split open the kegs of salted sprats,
    Made nests inside men’s Sunday hats,
    And even spoiled the women’s chats,
    By drowning their speaking
    With shrieking and squeaking
    In fifty different sharps and flats.

  93. Gabe says:

    Cycling is excellent. Mark, how did you get on?

    I plan to vote for Jenny Jones in tomorrow’s elections, and it turns out this is a luxury I can afford.

    In case, like me, you were wondering how the first and second preference thing works, there’s a long piece in the Guardian:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/may/02/jenny-jones-london-mayor-voting?

  94. Dagmar says:

    Tense stuff. A vote not for Ken, is a vote for Boris. The suburban Conservatives are the majority, they will turn out. So it looks like Boris will get it.

  95. Gabe says:

    I’ve already done voted. A civic civilian doing my civil duty… early!

    The Bushey Hill Road polling station is a model of community democracy at 8.30 in the morning. Lots of nice people being pleasant to one another. Recommended.

  96. J Mark Dodds says:

    For a period, between thirty and forty five years ago, I cycled every day, everywhere. In Northumberland, in Southport, in Manchester; I cycled in Chicago, where many people cycle in the opposite direction to vehicles on the grounds that it’s safer ‘because you can see them coming’. I even cycled a bit in London back then.

    One of my boys now cycles to school. He’s 12. He’s fairly street wise, sensible and careful but frankly, knowing the route he has to take, involving Walworth and Old Kent Roads, it rather freaks me out.

    I’ve cycled a bit recently. The roads are a LOT busier now. A LOT more dangerous than in the nineteen seventies. Far more traffic driven by people who are far more impatient to get somewhere at the same speed as if they were jogging.

    Car drivers, van drivers particularly, treat cyclists as irritating moving obstacles that have to be got by as fast as possible. It’s awful. I’ve been properly terrified at some point on each occasion that I’ve been out.

    A near miss by some revving fool getting by is a several times on each journey commonplace occurrence. Inches. Centimetre-near misses are a matter of course on almost every excursion. This is not my aged perception alarming me. Quite simply it was not like that back then. Scary.

    They need to be disciplined.

  97. J Mark Dodds says:

    Have you all joined the Save the Ivy House Facebook page yet?

    http://www.facebook.com/groups/211251488989675/

    A very competent local community group with a well informed steering group has quickly sprung up with the intention of raising enough money to buy the freehold. Discussions regarding the building are underway with Enterprise, the current owner (yes, they, the very same big bad Tied pubco who own many of the pubs around here — Joiners, the Recreation Ground, Hermits etc). There’s no one else in the frame yet — no developer — and the building’s just been grade 2 listed. If the freehold can be secured the intention is to get the business underway seriously, properly financed, supplied with great products and professionally managed.

    What events and things might happen in the pub when it’s a proper community resource are still to be decided.

    Get involved. Change history. Follow what’s happening. Put some money in when it happens.

  98. Dagmar says:

    40 minutes to go. Who to vote for?

  99. Dagmar says:

    And this morning, a Labour nightmare scenario: career wonk Jack Straw preaching that it was career dweeb Ed Miliband wot done it; career nice person Harriet Harman cooing at us.

  100. J Mark Dodds says:

    Any of you lot been to Ivy House yet?

    They raised £1milion in soft loan finance and no strings attached grant then another £142K in community shares.